Kubota L3901, L4701 or MX4800 for Sloped 10 Acre Parcel and Home Build

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Dr G

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Hello,

This is my first post. And this would be my first ever tractor purchase. I am hoping to get some advice on my selection. I've read threads like this before, and responders often ask for more detail on proposed use. So, I'll try to be descriptive, at the risk of being verbose 8^)

We recently moved to Paso Robles, CA. We have purchased a 10-acre parcel about 8 miles out of town. We are in the planning phase and will build our house on the parcel. Since the parcel is undeveloped there will be a lot of work required to get it ready for the home build. And then a lot of maintenance work to the property when we live there. I'll give more detail about my plan below.

I have chosen Kubota because there is a very good dealer here in town (C&N Tractor). Very friendly and knowledgeable staff. They also sell Stihl products and I have purchased some chainsaws there. The only other tractor dealer in town worth noting is John Deere. But they seem geared to bigger tractors and I do not get a real warm fuzzy about the dealer, though I have no issue with the equipment. Every person I know in this area who has a small tractor has a Kubota.

Let me list some of the things that I think a tractor may be helpful with:

- Cutting Grass and Brush. We are in fire country, so brush clearing is a must. Out of our 10 acres, at least 2 acres should be kept cut short or tilled. Defensible area around the house and along the road at a minimum. Some of this terrain is probably too steep for a tractor, not sure (see pics below).

- PTO Wood Chipper. Our property is an old Walnut grove. The trees are not in great shape as they are no longer irrigated. We do not plan on removing them all, but certainly those in the area that will be graded need to be removed. We've started trimming the branches of some of them and the wood piles up fast! We can't burn it. We could take it to the dump, but that will take time and get expensive. So we thought to chip it up so we can use it as mulch to keep the weeds down. The larger pieces we will save for a wood fired pizza oven or maybe to sell as firewood. We looked at self-powered chippers, but I figure if we had a tractor then powering one off the PTO might be better.

- Tree Trunk Removal - When the branches are trimmed off the walnut trees, then the trunks will have to be pulled out of the ground. I do not know if a tractor can do this, or if we have to rent something bigger. But if a tractor could do it that would be helpful.

- Digging Post Holes. We will need to put up deer fencing around our landscaped area. We may also put up a livestock fence around a larger portion of the property for some goats. So a lot of fence post holes to dig. I see there are post hole diggers that attach to the back of a tractor. That could be useful.

- Road maintenance. We will have a driveway that is partly paved (anything over 12% by fire code) and partly gravel. This will require occasional addition of gravel which then has to be spread around and evened out. Also, at the low end of the property where it abuts the road, the earth tends to move a little each winter and cover the road a bit. So this has to be continually pushed back. I started doing some of it with a shovel, but there is no way I can do it all. It's about 1/4-mile total.

- Light Grading - This is a pretty open-ended question. Our home construction and driveway project involve about 1.5 acres of soil disturbance. Hiring someone to do all the grading will be very expensive. So, the more we can do ourselves the better. For sure we will have to rent equipment at some point (an excavator and a loader probably). But anything we could do with a tractor would help, especially in the early stages. We have an experienced contractor friend who will help us with this. It would be nice to carve out a few primitive dirt trails on the site, just to get around. The back hoes that attach to a tractor don't seem too highly regarded. But as long as I am not in a hurry I do wonder if one might be useful for making trails and creating flat spots for equipment, water tanks, sheds, vegetable beds etc.

- Fork Lift - I have seen an attachment that allows a tractor to act as a fork lift. This could be very handy during the home construction phase, as frequently things are delivered on large trucks with no provision for off-loading. Worse, yet, many of these trucks may not be able to go up our road, as there is no place to turn around. So I might have to offload the delivery truck a mile down the road at the nearest intersection and put it on my own trailer to bring it up the house. Renting a real fork lift for these instances would be a PIA. I realize a tractor is a poor substitute for a real fork lift, but I'm thinking it's a lot better than nothing.

For the things we want to do (which is not farming) I see a tractor as sort of a Jack of All Trades, Master of None type of deal. We're thinking of it as an investment, in that it might allow us to do things ourselves instead of having to hire someone. So that it ends up paying for itself so to speak. We have the luxury of time; in that we would not have to hurry anything we're doing with the tractor in those instances where is not the ideal choice for the task at hand.

Being that our lot is sloped, roll-over is a big concern. Thus I would like to keep the tractor low and wide, as much as possible. This is hill country, and as I drive around I see a lot of parcels that have been disc'd, and are quite steep to my eye. I have driven our truck around on our property and it does fine, though I am not sure how that compares to a tractor. I have sort of narrowed my selection down to the Kubota L3901, L4701 and MX4800. If anyone has an opinion or advice, I am all ears. Even if you do not think I should even get a tractor for my needs, I will listen.

The site won't let me post links to my pictures yet, so I will do that shortly.

Thanks - Gustave
 

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The one picture that got attached above is right in the middle of the build site. This is the flattest portion of the lot.
 
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In that picture you can also see the trees that need to be removed. This is in fall, and they have lost whatever leaves that have left. Interestingly, walnut trees are grafted onto some other type of root stock, and it is this bottom portion of the trunk, which is not walnut, which is now sprouting branches, even though the walnut tree above looks dead.
 
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I would go with the MX - you can widen the wheels for stability and it is the larger class tractor. I owned an L and now and MX and do a lot of similar chores and love the MX.
As for stumps - rent a mini ex for the weekend and knock it out - lot easier and faster. Trying to pull them with a tractor is tough and a lot of work. Dig them out with the mini then use the tractor to move them to where you want to dump or bury them.
 
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Ok, now we're in business with the pictures.

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In this pic is a portion of the property which is pretty steep. I do not foresee us doing anything here. You can see how the hillside has oozed onto the road. I am thinking maybe a FEL can scoop this back off the road.

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This image shows the build site where the trees will need to be removed. I am hoping a tractor can be safely driven around in this area.

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Here (behind the marker posts) you can see our neighbor's parcel. Last year the grass was mowed by someone with a tractor and the area is fairly steep.

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Here I drove our truck up what will be our driveway (after grading). My wife thought this was dangerous, but it felt fine. And considering the center of gravity is about at the height of the crankshaft, there is still a large margin to the roll over point. But I don't know if this would be the same with a tractor.

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Another photo of the build site area where I would like to be able to drive around a tractor safely.
 
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that is not particularly steep, you can drive a tractor all over that. Loaded rear tires will make it seem more stable. MX is a great tractor, particularly when its wide open land like you have
 
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that is not particularly steep, you can drive a tractor all over that. Loaded rear tires will make it seem more stable. MX is a great tractor, particularly when its wide open land like you have

Agreed - once you learn the tractor and learn to safely operate on slopes you wont give a lot of it much thought.
As for scraping the road off - shouldn't be a problem at all.
 
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Thank you Code54 and Cathy. Two votes for the MX4800.

Is the BX92 backhoe a bad proposition? How comparable is to a mini-ex in capability?

Gustave
 
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Dr G

This is my first post. This will be my first tractor purchase.

We recently moved to Paso Robles, CA. We purchased a 10-acre parcel about 8 miles out of town. We are in the planning phase and will build our house on the parcel.

Let me list things that I think a tractor may be helpful with:

- Cutting Grass and Brush. We are in fire country, so brush clearing is a must. Out of our 10 acres, at least 2 acres should be kept cut short or tilled. Defensible area around the house and along the road at a minimum. Some of this terrain is probably too steep for a tractor. Not sure.

For two acres a medium duty or heavy duty Rotary Cutter/Bush Hog of five foot or six foot width should be ample, followed by a Disc Harrow or tractor PTO powered Roto-tiller. You will want bare soil, not dry, short grass. For firebreak maintenance you will use the Disc Harrow more often than the Rotary Cutter.

A medium duty Rotary Cutter five feet or six feet wide weighs about 600 pounds. A heavy duty Rotary Cutter five feet or six feet wide weighs about 1,000 pounds.

For cutting and maintaining firebreaks you will want a Disc Harrow with pans spaced 9" apart, rather than 7" apart. Disc Harrows are not effective until pan diameter is 20", 22" pan diameter is better. Disc Harrows are useful for level dirt road maintenance. They can be adjusted to throw a center crown out or pull high shoulder dirt in.


Roto-Tillers and Disc Harrows are both soil mixing Three Point Hitch implements. Disc Harrows with ample weight better for dry soils.

MORE: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...disc-harrow-selection-compact.html?highlight=


- PTO Wood Chipper. Our property is an old Walnut grove. The trees are not in great shape as they are no longer irrigated. We do not plan on removing them all, but certainly those in the area that will be graded need to be removed. We've started trimming the branches of some of them and the wood piles up fast!

We can't burn debris. We could take it to the dump, but that will take time and get expensive. So we thought to chip refuse so we can use it as mulch to keep the weeds down. The larger pieces we will save for a wood fired pizza oven or maybe to sell as firewood.

We looked at self-powered chippers, but I figure if we had a tractor then powering one off the PTO might be better.

PTO powered chippers are reasonably effective but fairly high maintenance beginning in year two, chipping dry material. Blades require periodic sharpening which requires removing the heavy rotor for blade access. As you cannot burn, you will have to learn chipper maintenance. You will soon learn there are small and medium chipper/shredders which turn brush into mulch and distinct medium and large chippers for 1" and larger limbs, vines and branches that do not handle small brush well. You will have to decide which of the two types of chippers is most appropriate for your property. A battery powered reciprocating "Sawzall" is very useful chipper adjunct.

You can chip brush from your Walnut trees with a Rotary Cutter but debris will be flung around.



- Tree Trunk Removal - After branches are trimmed off the walnut trees the trunks will have to be pulled out of the ground. I do not know if a tractor can do this, or if we have to rent something bigger. But if a tractor could do it that would be helpful.

Tree trunk and stump removal on sloped ground is work for a bulldozer or tracked excavator.

- Digging Post Holes. We will need to put up deer fencing around our landscaped area. We may also put up a livestock fence around a larger portion of the property for some goats. So a lot of fence post holes to dig. I see there are post hole diggers that attach to the back of a tractor. That could be useful.

Yes. Post Hole Augers require little PTO power. PTO powered PHDs rotate in only one direction so potential to get stuck in the ground is reality. Paso Robles is gravel so this should be minimal problem.

- Road maintenance. We will have a driveway that is partly paved (anything over 12% by fire code) and partly gravel. This will require occasional addition of gravel which then has to be spread around and evened out. Also, at the low end of the property where it abuts the road, the earth tends to move a little each winter and cover the road a bit. So this has to be continually pushed back. I started doing some of it with a shovel, but there is no way I can do it all. It's about 1/4-mile total.

This is "everyday" Front End Loader (FEL) work. You will probably want a "digging" toothbar attached to the FEL bucket at times. Piranha brand digging tooth bars are well regarded on this site.

You can see how the hillside has oozed onto the road. Maybe a FEL can scoop this back off the road.
To be gentle to your road you may want a plastic "snow edge" for FEL bucket.
VIDEO: bucket snow edge - YouTube


- Home Site Preparation - This is a pretty open-ended question. Our home construction and driveway project involve about 1.5 acres of soil disturbance. Hiring someone to do all the grading will be very expensive. So, the more we can do ourselves the better. For sure we will have to rent equipment at some point (an excavator and a loader probably). But anything we could do with a tractor would help, especially in the early stages. We have an experienced contractor friend who will help us with this.

Home site preparation is work for professionals. You do not know what you do not know.


It would be nice to carve out a few primitive dirt trails on the site, just to get around. The backhoes that attach to a tractor don't seem too highly regarded. But as long as I am not in a hurry I do wonder if one might be useful for making trails and creating flat spots for equipment, water tanks, sheds, vegetable beds etc.

A <$400 Ratchet Rake bucket attachment should be ample for primitive dirt trails, perhaps followed by a Disc Harrow.

VIDEO: ratchet rake grading - YouTube


- Fork Lift - I have seen Three Point Hitch attachment that allows a tractor to act as a fork lift.
Yes. This puts load over the heavy rear axle and on large rear tires where load should be. Buy new or used, sell when your construction is finished.

VIDEO: Tractor Tools Direct - CM 3-Point Forklift - YouTube

This could be very handy during the home construction phase, as frequently things are delivered on large trucks with no provision for off-loading. Worse, yet, many of these trucks may not be able to go up our road, as there is no place to turn around. So I might have to offload the delivery truck a mile down the road at the nearest intersection and put it on my own trailer to bring it up the house. Renting a real fork lift for these instances would be a PIA. I realize a tractor is a poor substitute for a real fork lift, but I'm thinking it's better than nothing.

With your hills, transporting heavy loads on the FEL is not an option. Too much danger of rollover.

For the things we want to do (which is not farming) I see a tractor as sort of a Jack of All Trades, Master of None type of deal. We're thinking of it as an investment, in that it might allow us to do things ourselves instead of having to hire someone. So that it ends up paying for itself so to speak. We have the luxury of time; in that we would not have to hurry anything we're doing with the tractor in those instances where is not the ideal choice for the task at hand.

Being that our lot is sloped, roll-over is a big concern. Thus I would like to keep the tractor low and wide, as much as possible. This is hill country, and as I drive around I see a lot of parcels that have been disc'd, and are quite steep to my eye. I have driven our truck around on our property and it does fine, though I am not sure how that compares to a tractor. I have sort of narrowed my selection down to the Kubota L3901, L4701 and MX4800.

MX4800 for sure, with wheel spacers to widen rear wheel/tire stance and either liquid filled rear tires or iron wheel weights on rear wheels to lower tractor center-of-gravity.

(Also, optional pin-adjustable, telescoping Lower Link stabilizers.)
VIDEO: Kubota Standard L Series L843 Telescopic Stabilizer kit (overview and install) - YouTube

Consider a Kubota 'Grand L' L4760 too. Rear wheel width on Grand Ls adjust without aftermarket spacers. Tractor nirvana. Open station Grand L tractors require an 8' garage door header to enter. Open station MX will enter a garage with a standard 7' garage door header. In both cases, with ROPS folded.

VIDEOS: Kubota Grand L Series VS. Kubota MX Series - YouTube

Kubota MX series walk around and features by Messicks. | MX48 MX52 MX58 - YouTube
 

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