Lawn Care This Time of Year

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HillStreet

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Last spring I decided to resend my lawn rather than apply crabgrass fertilizer, and it shows. My lawn now is dominated by crabgrass it seems, and plenty of clover too. Weather is starting to feel like fall so what should I do now? reseed with good grass, or apply crabgrass and clover herbicides?
 
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I have learned that grass is a regional thing and I am no expert just another guy somewhat obsessed with a nice front yard. So... I won't recommend for you.

I do hate crabgrass. My main issue here in the PNW is moss. Not really hard to combat... I just have to keep the lawn 'sweet' with lime. I also use a 10-10-10 or close fertilizer in the spring and especially in the autumn (soon here) to promote root growth. I think that helps your primary grass choke out crabs and other spot 'weeds'. Summertime I do a fertilize once with weed control. Takes care of any broadleaf weeds.

Most of my yard doesn't get this attention but around the front of our house I try to keep it green and 'clean' and water on schedule, not daily to promote deeper root growth. Seems the bad grass thrives better when the good grass is stressed. All that said, if your soil depth is poor, you are fighting a losing battle.
 
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Same boat here. We had some dry weather and then it got wet and the crab grass took over. I don’t have an answer.
 
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Also a really bad year for crabgrass here. I just applied a winterizer weed and feed and hope to get it under control. It doesn't make sense to reseed when you are overrun with weeds. Have you done a soil analysis? I recently had it done and it recommended using only non-phosphorus fertilizer year round. (N - P - K where K is high and P is close to zero) This will support root growth and give you better drought resistance and density to choke out weeds.
 
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South Western Pa here.

I am planning to do my 3.5 acres with a plug aerator this week, and then real soon (as in late September or early October) to seed over the entire thing. Then in the spring go at it with the pre-emergent to block the crabgrass for next year. As spring warms up I will go at it with the Gordons Timec Lawn Weed Killer that seems to work extremely well for me on all broad leaf crap that tries to invade.
 
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What Rock Crawler said. That is the typical method used here in the Piedmont of NC.
 
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Crabgrass can be tough to eradicate. Its flat-spreading nature allows it to avoid your mower blades while effectively shading out your grass.

1. Kill. Knock back the crabgrass/weeds now.
2. Improve your soil by spreading organic fertilizer like Milorganite or compost, so it can work it's way into the soil over the winter. Reapply in early spring.
3. Early spring, while your lawn is still pretty bare, scratch the soil lightly and reseed with Contractor's Mix grass seed. Time this according to local conditions.
4. Let it grow tall at first to shade out remaining weeds.

Going forward, mow regularly, not too low, and reapply organic fertilizer twice a year. If your soil is compacted, these methods will actually "uncompact" it over time. In future, try to mow using lighter-weight equipment, and vary your mowing pattern. Take a "before" picture now, and another one next summer. :)

This is a proven, no-chemical, less work, method that I used when I was a landscaper to renovate many lawns.

Kill. Many will suggest drenching with Round-up. Even if you don't mind the chemicals, I find it not terribly effective as many weeds are pretty resistant now. Plus it is less effective out of the active growing season. I've found baking soda to be quite effective as a one-time kill that also spares what grass you have. No one ever believes this, but it actually works faster than Round-up. A light sprinkle is all you need. Try it on a small section and see if it works on your crabgrass. (There are a few species of weeds under the general rubric of "crabgrass".) This time of year, once you knock back the crabgrass it won't be able to regrow very well until spring. You will have bare patches but winter is around the corner when your lawn will be bare anyhow.

Improve. Your spring re-seeding will be much more successful if you've improved the soil over the winter via the organic compost. Even if you killed everything last fall, you have a lot weeds that will regrow from the roots, plus a zillion weed seeds ready to sprout come spring. Milorganite or compost will slowly decompose and work into the soil over the winter and will actually improve the structure and chemistry of your soil. Weeds will not like this; they grow best in poor, dry, compacted soil. Chemical fertilizer is a quick-shot that helps everything, including weeds, to grow and does nothing for your soil.

Reseed. The advantage of Contractor's Mix is it contains some fast-growing grasses such as rye, that will shade out spring weeds while your fescues get their act together. I find that fescues can never outcompete weeds; rye grasses can. (I know you wonder why the rye doesn't outcompete the fescue; not really sure, but it may be partly because weeds actually excrete chemicals that hinder grass growth.) All I know is, having tried every grass seed, it works the best.

Deeper plowing or turning of the ground will turn up a zillion new weed seeds ready to sprout in spring. With Contractor's Mix, a light scratch is all you need.

Going forward, try to prevent weeds from sprouting in gardens and beds, which will then try to spread to your lawn. You can apply corn meal (the active ingredient in "Preen" but much cheaper). Careful, it will keep your grass seed from germinating too. Mulch heavily; fill your beds thickly with plants that will shade out weeds.

Although I prefer not to use chemicals, my clients didn't care, but they did expect results. The worst lawns were always the ones where the folks used one of those lawn services, which basically consists of a big truck spraying chemicals on the lawn every other month.
 
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I use to take care of mine when I lived in the city. I used a pre emergent every other month on my lawn.
I would get little clumps of crab grass from time to time. I would just spray it with a crab grass killer.
 
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Killing crabgrass now will do nothing beneficial, it is a waste of chemicals, and those same chemicals will also kill any desireable grasses that are in the lawn, too, leaving your land bare all winter.

Crabgrass is an ANNUAL, and it's gonna die on its own in the fall, so just mow it short, and use a bagger to collect the clippings and seeds NOW.

In the late spring and early summer, the crabgrass seeds that overwinterred will start to germinate. That's why you want to put a preemergent crabgrass preventer in the EARLY spring, before the crabgrass seeds germinate.

You may want to plant your new grass seed now in the fall, so it gets established before winter. If you put a pre-emergent crabgrass killer down in the spring, it will also stop any new grass seed from germinating.

If it were me, I'd mow short and bag now.
Plug aerate your lawn now.
Spread some starter fertilizer now.
Spread a good grass seed mix now.
Rake it all in and water daily until winter.
Put down a preemergent crabgrass preventer in the early spring.
Enjoy your new lawn. ;):laughing:
 
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Killing crabgrass now will do nothing beneficial,

Depends on which species of "finger weed" it is and when it produces its seeds; the idea is to kill it before it drops its seeds in the fall (each plant can produce 100k+ seeds). Of course if that has already happened way up north where you live, Moss is right, it won't do much good.

As Moss said, you can't do the pre-emergent and re-seed the same season, which is why pre-emerg works best in *established* lawns. If you use pre-emerg in the spring, you'll have a lot of unsightly bare patches that you won't be able to seed for at least 3 months; these will fill with weeds unless you keep spraying with chemicals--which will further delay your re-seeding--sort of an endless loop.

I hear about putting down grass-seed in the fall or winter a lot; maybe it works in some climates or soils, has never worked for me for a new lawn.

But hey, let us know what you decide and how it works for you.

*Crabgrass is a symptom, not the problem. If you don't improve your soil it will be back.*
 

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