Planning to move lots of dirt

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<font color="blue"> So did the scraper work pretty fast and seem like the right tool for the job? Do you have any pictures of the new barns?
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A lot faster than I thought they could. It was amazing to watch. I lost all of my pictures a while back in a hard drive crash. I will get some more in the next day or two. They look a lot like like yours. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Do yours have cool pads and tunnel?
 
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<font color="blue"> 10-12K sounds right to me. You were lucky to get such a good price. </font>
Actually they were the only contractor to come in under bid. The bid for both pads was 15k to 20k with a rock clause. The charged me $13,750. I did like that.
 
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Jerry

When I bought my farm five years ago they were run down cross ventilated barns with few fans. I have since upgraded them to Rotem (computer) controlled tunnel ventilated barns. One barn uses HH cool cell and the other 800psi fogger lines. The fogged house will get cool cells on it this year. I already have the roll seal tunnel openings ready to go. We get more money from having cool cells, computers, and tunnel ventilation plus it makes management much easier.

I’m really excited to build from scratch. The new barns are going to have all the bells and whistles. Hired Hand and Roxell equipment, Rotem computers with wireless communications, IR tube heaters ect ect. I want to get it right because I have to live with the end product. I’m estimating each barns cost at 320K which includes everything including generator, new well, excavation, construction, everything.

Eric
 
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Eric, I hope you will bear with me because I am going to be absolutely no help with your project. What the heck am I misunderstanding? On your second photo we are looking past the existing barns at an open field where the new barns will go, correct? To prepare for the new barns you will need to strip the top soil and build up two pads for the new barns as I understand it. After the top soil is removed are you bringing in dirt to build up the pads or lowering the grade around what will be the pads? I am just staggered by the 140K price to rework what looks to be a relatively flat field. What am I missing? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

MarkV
 
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From the way that you say you are equipping your building, they would be about $150-$160k each here. Something isn't right here. Maybe I’m missing something. The prices are to much different.
 
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Mark
When I started this project I figured it would be like what Jerry was talking about with a price of 10 to 15K for each of the four barn pads. The pasture is fairly flat. It falls about 4’ down the barn length of the 500’ barn. The barns will be built up a couple feet and between the barns will be lowered and roads put in. The roads will provide a channel for the water to run off. I think $140,000 is way too much but this really is what this excavator wants to do this job.

Jerry
My equipment package is 88K per barn not counting electrical and the generator. Shipping is about 10% of that price. I am also amazed at the price difference. When I talked to the HH rep about a steel generations barn they wanted about $400,000 to build one turn key. I thought I was doing good keeping it around 320. The style of barn is 10 ½’ tall with a 18” stem wall and 2X6 solid side construction. We use 60’ trusses with no poles. R19 insulation is in the side walls and R30 in the ceilings. Most side walls are plywood and canvex material is used for the ceiling.

You all love pictures so I included one of me clearing out blackberry bushes with my dozer that I got for this project.

Eric
 

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Is time an issue? If not, here's a thought. One of my neighbors has two dozers, each about equivalent to a Cat D4. One has a blade on front and short rippers on back. He uses the other to pull what he calls a "Carry All". This isn't the "carry all" we all usually refer to. It's a scraper-carrier like the ones they used in the old days before the paddle wheels were added to modern scrapers. It's slower and it has a capacity of only 5 cubic yards, but it surely works very well. He can fill the thing in less than a minute. Six years ago I had him move around 3000 yd. for me with it. He moved about 60 yd3/hr @ $65/hr. He only moved the soil about 450 ft. on average though. Once the soil is scooped, the transport is a bit slow. As Eddie mentioned, the distance is important. The paddle wheelers move a lot faster in transit than this thing does, and dump trucks even faster. I don't know whether or not you might be able to find a used one to purchase, tow it with your dozer, then resell it when done, but that might be worth a little checking into. You'd still need something else to pre-rip prior to each pass; you wouldn't want to keep changing back and forth on your dozer from rippers to carry-all. As to the slowness, maybe you could build one pad and while construction begins on that structure you could be building the second pad, doing them in sequence rather than concurrently. You could keep a smaller crew occupied for some time building one structure after another.

I realize there is a low probability this is what you'll wind up doing, but thought it worth mentioning just so you know about the possibility. Good luck whatever you decide to do.
 
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I don't know if I understand correctly, but are you removing 2 feet of unsuitable material first? Then bringing back 2 feet of shale to bring it back to ground level and then placing an additional 2 feet on top of that to raise the level? If this is the case, $140,000 doesn't sound all that bad for the volume of material you need to move.
 
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Tom
I know exactly what you are talking about. I need to get this done as quickly as possible. Once the ground is dry we need the excavation done then build the barns and have them completely done by September. All the barns have to come online at the same time because they have to be ready to accept birds at the same time. For biosecurity reasons we get all the birds at once and they all leave at the same time. Its really going to be tough to get this all done in time. I’m my hire two different contractor’s crews and have them working at the same time if I can’t find one big one.

Thanks for the suggestion. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Eric
 
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DK

I believe that we will remove the grass down about 6 inches to a foot. Then the barn pads will be built up with clean soil a couple feet above the existing grade. The rock road will go between the two upper barns and loop back between the lower two barns. The road will be somewhere around 1300’ feet long and 16’ wide at least 10” deep. The barn pads won’t have any rock on or under them.

Eric
 

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