Removing Stumps

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I've got a number of stumps that I was going to remove this weekend and wanted to know how some of you guys that have done this thought the best way to go about getting these out is? I've got the backhoe and all so it shouldn't be a problem. Just wanted to know any tricks or easy ways of doing this. Most of the stumps are hardwood and 6 - 24" in diameter. Thanks in advance for any help.

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I've used two techniques in pulling stumps with a backhoe. The first move for either technique is to cut the stump as close to the ground as possible. This allows better access to the far side of the stump. The technique choice depends on the general root structure.

For stumps with a shallow spreading root structure (Pine, sycamore etc):

Position the tractor so the stump is in the middle of the backhoe reach. Start scraping the soil at a distance of three to five stump diameters from the stump. The roots are smaller and easier to break further away from the stump. Once you have broken a root it is easier to break it again closer to the stump. You may have to take material out below the larger roots so you can get the bucket under them to break them with lifting force.

Repeat this around the stump. Plan ahead. put the spoil pile where it will be as much out of the way as possible. Don't hesitate to move the tractor if you think a different location would give you better purchase on the roots.

Sometimes, especially if the tree was growing on the edge of a down slope, the surface roots will go down, following the soil contours. These are tough to deal with because the slope is not a good place to put a backnoe. Of the fifty stumps I've pulled recently, 36 of them were on the edge of a downslope. I used the cutter edge between the teeth of the bucket to scrap the roots down, weakening them until I could break them with lifting force. This isn't easy when you are working at full reach, but that is what you end up having to do.

Digging under the stumps so that you can pull the stumps towards you will help in some cases. Grabbing roots that have broken free with the bucket and swinging the backnoe back and forth can weaken the remaining roots. The more degrees of freedom you can give the stump the easier it is to break the remaining root structure.

Trees with tap roots (many nut trees etc):

Get closer to the stump, you're going to be digging deeper. Dig down as close to the stump as you can. Do both sides and then move the backhoe so that you can dig as deep on the other two sides. Dig under the stump as far as you can. Try breaking the tap root as far down in the hole as you can reach. You may end up doing a lot of scraping before it breaks.

That about covers the _normal_ situations. Things can get pretty weird underground.

I've encountered boulders that were bigger than the stumps that had to be removed before I could free the stump. I found a 7 foot long granite billet with tree roots wrapped around it (that was a major pain).

I cut a cluster of maple trees down and found that they were suckers from the crown of s stump that had been knocked over and buried 3 feet down over 30 years ago. The buried stump was bigger around than the largest of the trunks in the cluster. I ended up digging down about 8 feet and the opening on the hole was about 12 feet before I ended up climbing into the hole with a chainsaw and cutting the buried stump to free the cluster's stump.

Another strange case was a yellow pine stump. When I started digging I found that there were no surface roots. The tree had been standing when the area was backfilled and the true crown was six feet underground. I dug the hole as you would for a tap root tree and went in with the chainsaw again. I took out the trunk section and covered the stump.

BTW, you get one cut with the chainsaw. No matter how clean you try to get the root or underground trunk section there will be enough grit in the path of the chain to dull it.

I hope this helps.

Matthew
 
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Matthew,
Just what I was looking for!! Thanks alot. Most of these are what they call hedge apple. They are really hard wood but more like a weed tree. Not sure what they're going to be like. I tryed pulling and pushing them with the tractor and it didn't even budge them so they're in there pretty good. What I had the place dozed the roots didn't look too bad. Guess we'll see this weekend. Thanks again for taking the time to post that valuable info.

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A little off-topic, but more info on the 'Hedge-Apple' or 'Osage Orange' is at http://arboretum.washcoll.edu/arboretum/Treemonth.sept.html.

Different Indian tribes used to travel for miles to find an Osage Orange tree to make bows from.

I'm actually thinking of planting a few on my property - I quite like them!!
 
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RPM,
No offense but what do you like about them? They are full of thorns and ugle if you ask me. Nothing like looking at a big beautiful oak or pine tree. Also be careful planting them as they are near to impossible to kill and they literally grow like a bad weed and spread quickly.

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No offense taken - I like them for a couple of the reasons you just mentioned. I have a road running along one side of my property that I would like to have a good thick (preferrably impenetrable) hedge along. The Osage Orange, as you said, has big thorns and grows quickly - they also look better than a road! (FYI - quite a few 'authorities' recommend Osage Orange as part of a windbreak these days too) In fact, they were used in place of barbed wire before it was commonly available!

I also think those green brain-like fruits are kind of cool looking and I can send my boys out there to try and make a bow 'like the Indians did' when they are old enough. Should keep them busy for a while until they start putting arrows into each other.

I'll probably plant some pines in a row behind them though ... also have plans for a choke-berry and blue-spruce windbreak on the really exposed side of the property.

Patrick
 
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I don't think I know what an Osage Orange is, but it sounds like you're describing a Bois d'Arc. Are they the same thing?

Bird
 
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Yep same thing, Bird. They don't make good firewood for an open fireplace. The wood really pops as it burns and throws embers everywhere, even if it is good and dry. Tuff on turf tires too!

Gary
 
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Bird - I had to look that one up - but yes, Hedge Apple, Osage Orange and Bois D'Arc are all the same thing.

Here's an interesting point I found out - the original range of the tree was limited to the Texas/Oklahoma area. It was spread by man for fencing purposes all the way up to New England.

The reason it didn't have a wide range is that botanists say there is no natural 'vector' for its seeds/fruit. There is no known animal that will eat them. They believe that it may have been (very hungry) buffalo that did - but can't verify it. If you put one of the fruits in front of a well-fed buffalo, with it's sticky, bitter sap they'll turn their nose up at it. Hence the range of the tree stayed small.

The Osage Oranges are also used as insect repellents when cut up in pieces. Their bark and particularly roots contain very powerful insecticides and fungicides. This, in addition with the density of its wood, makes it a superb choice for fenceposts. All told, an interesting tree!!

Patrick
 
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I tryed some of those fenceposts Patrick and you can't even get a nail in one! Talked to one of the older guys around here and he said the only time you can use them for fence posts is to cut them down green and then put them in right away. Otherwise if they dry at all you won't get a nail in them to hold the fence. He said they will last for a 100 years though. The description was a little off too in that the thorns are only there when they are young. The ones that we had were full grown and had thorns all over them. You couldn't do anything around them.

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