School me on sawmills, please.

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We’re looking at a ranch that has a mix of cedar (lots of this), various oaks (red, Spanish, live, post), pecan and sycamore and I’d like to use some of the native wood and rock on the place for building things. I’m looking at the wood-mixer but, I know nothing about sawmills. What do I need to know to pick a good one? I don’t need one on a trailer, I’ll probably set it up under a cover and bring the wood to it. Likewise, since it’ll be stationary, all electr will work fine.
 
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Weæ±*e looking at a ranch that has a mix of cedar (lots of this), various oaks (red, Spanish, live, post), pecan and sycamore and I壇 like to use some of the native wood and rock on the place for building things. I知 looking at the wood-mixer but, I know nothing about sawmills. What do I need to know to pick a good one? I don稚 need one on a trailer, I値l probably set it up under a cover and bring the wood to it. Likewise, since it値l be stationary, all electr will work fine.

I would check with the county extension and other local lumber processors...air dried lumber is great for many things but if you plan on doing any cabinet etc. type work the lumber should be kiln dried to an internal temp of 140*F to make sure any insect larva etc is killed...getting it to a specific moisture content stabilizes the lumber...

If you have a friend or neighbor or just someone that would let you watch (or help with some stacking etc.) it greatly reduces the learning curve from learning from the manual and hands off advice...

There are lots of different brands with some different setups...
We have 36" Oscar Pro from Hud-son Hud-son Forest Equipment | Portable Sawmills | Built in USA

Good Luck...
 
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How difficult is it to build a kiln? I imagine a wood stove or propane heater could get us up to 140 in a decently insulated metal building with summertime highs in the 90s.

Initially, I think I’d use the wood for stuff like barns and outbuildings because it would be fun and neat to be able to tell people they were built with materials found on site but, longer term the oak and pecan is really better suited for furniture or cabinets.

The video makes this Norwood look pretty appealing. LumberPro HD36 Hydraulic or Manual Portable Sawmill | Mobile Bandsaw Mill by Norwood | Norwood Sawmills
 
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I'm a Woodmizer fan, having owned an LT40 (34" x 21' capacity) since 1991. They make an electric motor version, and IF you don't plan to move it and have power source, I'd sure go that route. The gas engine on mine is the worst part of it (not that it's that bad). I also would NOT go to the expense of a hydraulic mill unless A: You plan to go on the road with it (the hydraulic loading feature would be handy) B: You plan to saw commercially. I've sawed probably close to a million board feet on my mill in 29 years and never really had the need for hydraulics....more cost and more maintenance.

As for a kiln....I air dry my lumber for 4-6 months per inch thickness, which will work fine for any type of framing lumber. IF I need it for cabinet type lumber, AFTER it has air dried to around 20%, I'll move it into my kiln.

I built a dehumidifier kiln in my shop that hold about 1000 bdft and uses an old 20,000 BTU window AC for the heat/drying. The room is 7x14 with a 7'6" ceiling. Inside is OSB with a couple coats of aluminized mobile home roof paint for a good vapor barrier. The window AC just sits on a shelf inside so the scrap heat off the back heats the room (it will hit 135 degrees peak). As the room heats up, moisture is driven off the wood, hits the cold coil on the front, condenses and runs in a bucket. The first week or so, it will take a 5 gallon bucket of water off wood that is already at 20% or less ! After another week, that will taper off to about nothing, and checking the wood with a meter, I'll have 6-8% lumber.

The switches on the left side control various outlets inside: Lights, receptacle for a fan to circulate air inside, and another for a small electric space heater....which is needed to get the room 'started' if I'm using it in the winter. Once the room hits mid 70's, the AC unit will run, and the scrap heat off the AC is all that is needed....by the 2nd day, it will be 110 or so in the room....and continues to build as the wood heats up.

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The window AC is one I got for free from somebody that was converting to central air. The first one had R12 in it, and worked great for years until the compressor died. So I found another big ole free dog, but it had R22 freon in it.....and is NOT meant to run above about 110 or so. Once the room hits that temp, the head pressure gets to be too much, and the AC shuts down. Fortunately, I had a buddy in the AC business, and he replace the R22 with some recovered R12 he had, and now it works fine again.
 
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Building a kiln is relatively easy...it's the logistics of size (length) and the quantity of lumber that can be dried in a cycle...that's the difficult part...

It's hard to justify the time and expense to make a kiln for mostly just hobby work (no real cash flow to support it)...right now we send out white pine, tulip popular and all hardwoods...lumber here is vulnerable to things like Powderpost beetles and other borers etc... We carry it to and from and I think they charge $200-$300/ 1000 BF

Once KD'd it should acclimate to local natural (dry) conditions before finish milling...

IF you have the logs it is great fun to be able to saw as many 2x4's, 2x6's , 1x8's etc., etc., etc.....that it takes to build whatever you want...

For direct ground contact...woods like black locust and white oak work as well or better than cheap PT even if it is marked for GC...
 
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"How difficult is it to build a kiln?"

I had a large pine cut into usable lumber by a mobile sawer.

For a kiln I stacked the boards with spacers in an area that had most sun and placed old tin roofing on both sides and then shaped a few pieces to make a 'roof'.
I oriented the contraption for maximum exposure.
One summer of dry heat (I'm in Canada) and that pine was dry to cabinet quality.
In fact made a number of cabinets etc.
It helped that the old tin roofing was dark in color.
Both ends were open so air circulated nicely.
 
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Over the years, in my cabinet shop, I've built a LOT of furniture and cabinets out of lumber that has NOT been kiln dried, and never once have I had a call back or problem with air dried lumber.

I think it's waaaaay more about paying attention to the lumber than having a kiln!

As for sawmills, how fast do you wanna saw and how much money do you have to spend, because there's several mills just as good or even better than Woodmizer, depending on the model you pick...

Spending more money "mostly" = more speed...

Prices are all over the board, depending on models...

SR
 
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If you have 3 phase power, I think an electric version would be great. I've seen a Wood Mizer demo, and the engine looked to be about a 30 hp diesel. A 1 phase electric motor will never get you anywhere near the HP required to run a mill.
 
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Over the years, in my cabinet shop, I've built a LOT of furniture and cabinets out of lumber that has NOT been kiln dried, and never once have I had a call back or problem with air dried lumber.

I think it's waaaaay more about paying attention to the lumber than having a kiln!

As for sawmills, how fast do you wanna saw and how much money do you have to spend, because there's several mills just as good or even better than Woodmizer, depending on the model you pick...

Spending more money "mostly" = more speed...

Prices are all over the board, depending on models...

SR
I'd like to be $12k or less and have something that can cut 20'+ boards. I don't really need the hydraulic loaders, I've got a skid steer, tractor, forklift and a mini-ex to handle loading logs, it would be nice to have automatic feed and dogging.
 
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If you have 3 phase power, I think an electric version would be great. I've seen a Wood Mizer demo, and the engine looked to be about a 30 hp diesel. A 1 phase electric motor will never get you anywhere near the HP required to run a mill.
I'm not sure if I can get 3 phase, I'll have to check with the co-op. If I can't, then I'd rather have diesel, I finally got rid of the last of my gas engines last year and I'd hate to have to start storing gas again for just 1 piece of equipment. I guess I could also use a phase convertor.
 

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