Some one wanted to know if we'd buy an EV tractor

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mo1

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I do not know of any law or rule requiring anyone to buy a electric anything.

Innovation, research and foresight by our forefathers is what made America the leader of the other nations. We are spending to much time resisting change because a great grandfather did not do that.

We must come to the cold hard realization that we cannot continue to pollute the air that we also have to breath. Or having a belief that the stratospheric ozone layer of the Earth is not needed when the fact is it is the Earth sunscreen”.

Without this sunscreen the biblical prophecy of the Earth will be destroyed by fire will come sooner than 4.5 billion years as predicted by scientists.

Look at computer chips. They were invented in the US. 66 percent are now made in Taiwan.

Fresh water is becoming hard to find. We have to have water to live. Either we change or toilet paper mentality (use one time and flush) and start studying and seeking technologiCal advances to reduce our dependence on the things that is causing us trouble or we will destroy the rock we live on.

For example in England less than 5 percent of the homes have central air conditioning. The current heat wave in Europe is impacting severely on the residents.

1. California has banned sales of new internal combustion engined-vehicles by 2035. This does not specifically mention battery-powered vehicles by name but there are no powered vehicles smaller than a submarine that are "zero [carbon dioxide] emissions" powered by anything other than electric motors. Outside of some tiny proof-of-concept vehicles powered by solar panels, all of the electric motor-powered vehicles are supplied by a battery. Thus, the law de facto requires that all vehicles at least in California must be battery-powered.

2. There is a lot of research and development in transportation and vehicles. The only change being resisted is the change of much higher cost and limited (or no) practicality of certain technologies forced on a market. Like I said before, people in a market will spontaneously adopt new technologies when and if they are found to be better than the current options, and they will do so all on their own, just as they did with golf carts.

3. The ozone layer was thought to be damaged due to chlorofluorocarbons, not carbon dioxide. Those are two very different compounds. Ironically the hydrochlorofluorocarbon replacements (such as R-134a) for the old CFC refrigerants are thought by the anthropogenic global warming crowd to be absolutely horrible for the global warming and they are themselves being replaced by hydrocarbons. Yes, the same types of hydrocarbons the same group of people want to ban from being used in engines. R-600a and R-290 are popular HCFC-replacement refrigerants and are nothing more than isobutane and propane. Isobutane is frequently used to make iso-octane for gasoline and propane is itself occasionally used for a motor fuel and at one time was a semi-popular tractor fuel, and would thus be banned by California.

4. I am pretty sure we are not supposed to discuss religion on this website so I will not comment on any Biblical prophecies.

5. I don't see how computer chip manufacturing being performed in Taiwan by companies such as TSMC has anything to do with battery-powered tractors, anthropogenic global warming, carbon dioxide, electricity generation or transmission, or anything else we have been discussing so I will not comment on this as it is very off topic.

6. Batteries are an excellent example of something that you use for a short period of time and then have to "flush" as they wear out. Tractors often last for many decades, lithium-ion batteries last for maybe 8-10 years and their disposal is in fact a major concern as they use hazardous materials.

7. The mention of heat waves impacting people severely who do not have air conditioning is a very good point. If we add a bunch of extra demand to our currently insufficient electrical generation capacity in order to recharge battery-powered cars and equipment, brownouts and blackouts will occur, our air conditioners will not be able to work, and it will severely impact the residents.
 
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Behold the bossy loudmouth politicians. Do you really need a list of names? You know who they are.
All they're interested in is money and power. If they're promoting something, there's a lobbyist paying them to do so.
 
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Maybe to Mister suburban weekend cowboy, but not to agriculture. The average farm has more than one large tractor.
That's what I was thinking.. a hobby farmer that doesn't put many hours on in a week. All depends on what you are using it for. I have been surprised with how many power tools that I have been able to switch to battery power over 110, but I am a DIY fixer-upper, not a contractor/builder. Even then, much easier for a builder to keep lots of batteries for tools than a farmer for his tractors.
 
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The west is running out of electric generating capacity and water. Guess where the greenies will come looking for it when theirs is no longer sufficient.
Heard of an idea on the news the other day that someone is floating. They want to run a raw water line from the Mississippi river west. Guess they want it to dry up before it hits the ocean like the Colorado river

Im not a naysayer, who knows what advances in technology will bring, but it isnt here now for widespread implementation.
Say what?!
That's almost as ridiculous as Canada wanting to build a pipeline from the Canadian border to the Gulf of Mexico to pump oil mud.

Best thing they could do. How often does the Mississippi and the other mid-west rivers flood out entire towns and cities?
Water is more precious than oil.
 
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IndyJay

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If the green weenies actually based their opinions on facts rather than feelings they would see that the so-called "green" technology is horrible for the environment. Strip mining for lithium compared to deep mining for clean coal, not to mention the environmental disaster of lithium batteries for cars piling up in "storage" areas because they cannot be easily recycled and cannot be landfilled.


Wind and solar can only be profitable by huge subsidies or by artificially increasing the cost of fossil fuels. The windmills take large amounts of fossil based lubricants and the fiberglass vanes are piling up like the lithium batteries or being landfilled. They are also non-recyclable.

 
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If "Green" power was/is going to work. The entrepreneurs will be working overtime while the Government sits on the side lines thinking how to tax it. Right now it is all backwards. The Government is forcing 'Green" power with heavy subsidies and increasing the cost of fossil fuels to drive them out of business and make the "Green" power look economical. All the while the entrepreneurs are sitting on the sidelines watching the Government burn money.
 
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If "Green" power was/is going to work. The entrepreneurs will be working overtime while the Government sits on the side lines thinking how to tax it. Right now it is all backwards. The Government is forcing 'Green" power with heavy subsidies and increasing the cost of fossil fuels to drive them out of business and make the "Green" power look economical. All the while the entrepreneurs are sitting on the sidelines watching the Government burn money.

How much does U.S. government hand out to Bg Oil? How much does ExxonMobil pay in taxes (Exxon’s 2021 effective income tax rate was 2.8%, what was yours?).

Not even counting tax breaks and subsidy dollars, what is the cost in military adventures for oil and propping up murdering barbaric oil kingdoms that turn around and attack us (e.g. Saudi’s Arabia)?
 
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