Something I don't understand about applications of below 40hp tractors

   / Something I don't understand about applications of below 40hp tractors #81  

HighTwelve

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Jeff9366 has largely beaten me to the punch about plowing with a 20 HP tractor - the Ford 9N, 2N and 8N. Now, I’m a tractor collector and not a real farmer, but tractor shows often have plowing demonstrations and I always wade in with one of my N tractors. Back in the day Ford farmers used either a 16” one bottom or a 12” or 14” two bottom plow. There are three secrets:

Weight: Farmers loaded the rear tires.

Setup: Plow share bottom is flat on the ground with left rear wheel up on a 4” block, EXCEPT point is tilted slightly downward. If this sounds slightly contradictory it is. You have to make adjustments, especially with a badly worn plow share.

Technique: separate left and right rear wheel brakes are there for a reason. You will probably have more problem with the left wheel spinning than the right. My Kubota L3010 has a differential lock which would do the same thing if I ever tried to plow with it, which I have not. I’m not a real farmer and the gray market (oh no!) Yanmar rototiller on the Kubby tills the garden just fine.

A long time ago a now deceased collector and old time farm boy named Zane Sherman posted on his website the best treatise on plowing that I have ever seen. It was called “Plow A Little Now”. He covered every aspect of setting up the plow. Zane is gone and the website is down but you may find a copy in the data section over on the www.Ntractorclub.com website. I haven’t checked so no guarantee. I’d gladly post my copy if I could figure out how.
 
   / Something I don't understand about applications of below 40hp tractors #82  

dwm1026

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The fundamental importance of TRACTOR WEIGHT eludes many tractor shoppers. Tractor capability is more closely correlated to tractor weight than any other single (1) specification.

The compact tractor era functionally began when Henry Ford licensed Harry Ferguson's tractor and Three Point Hitch design in 1939. The tractor industry uniformly adopted the Three Point Hitch after 1955, when Ferguson's patents began to expire and his tractor and Three Point Hitch design were available to industry participants besides Ford open source.

There were tractors before the Ford 9N, including earlier Fords. However, less efficient, pre-TPH tractors did not clearly outperform draft animals and not many pre-TPH tractors were sold.

Ford's first Ferguson TPH tractor:

Ford 9N​


Ford 9N tractor photo
1939 - 1942
N Series
Utility tractor
Ford 9N Power
Drawbar (claimed):12.68 hp
9.5 kW
Belt (claimed):20.29 hp
15.1 kW
Plows:2 (14-inch)
Drawbar (tested):16.31 hp
12.2 kW
Engine (net):23.56 hp
17.6 kW
Ford 9N Weight
Shipping:2140 lbs
970 kg
Operating:2900 lbs
1315 kg
Ballasted:3375 lbs
1530 kg
Mechanical
Chassis:2WD
Steering:manual
Cab:Open operator station
Transmission:3-speed

Lots of grain threshers, well pumps and (laundry) washing machines ran off Ford 9N PTOs. Ford tractors often preceded grid electrical power on the farm by years.

Horses and mules continued to work USA farms through the 1950s.
Still have a 1939 - 9N sitting out back,
 
   / Something I don't understand about applications of below 40hp tractors #83  

straggler

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The fundamental importance of TRACTOR WEIGHT eludes many tractor shoppers. Tractor capability is more closely correlated to tractor weight than any other single (1) specification.

The compact tractor era functionally began when Henry Ford licensed Harry Ferguson's tractor and Three Point Hitch design in 1939. The tractor industry uniformly adopted the Three Point Hitch after 1955, when Ferguson's patents began to expire and his tractor and Three Point Hitch design were available to industry participants besides Ford open source.

There were tractors before the Ford 9N, including earlier Fords. However, less efficient, pre-TPH tractors did not clearly outperform draft animals and not many pre-TPH tractors were sold.

Ford's first Ferguson TPH tractor:

Ford 9N​


Ford 9N tractor photo
1939 - 1942
N Series
Utility tractor
Ford 9N Power
Drawbar (claimed):12.68 hp
9.5 kW
Belt (claimed):20.29 hp
15.1 kW
Plows:2 (14-inch)
Drawbar (tested):16.31 hp
12.2 kW
Engine (net):23.56 hp
17.6 kW
Ford 9N Weight
Shipping:2140 lbs
970 kg
Operating:2900 lbs
1315 kg
Ballasted:3375 lbs
1530 kg
Mechanical
Chassis:2WD
Steering:manual
Cab:Open operator station
Transmission:3-speed

Lots of grain threshers, well pumps and (laundry) washing machines ran off Ford 9N PTOs. Ford tractors often preceded grid electrical power on the farm by years.

Horses and mules continued to work USA farms through the 1950s.
Thank You for the interesting History lesson!

"While Ferguson may have been willing to take initial losses on his tractor and equipment sales in the name of solving world hunger, his idealistic nature blinded him to the fact that he was the only one who was. As he dropped his own prices to economically unsustainable amounts, sellers pocketed the difference rather than passing on the savings to consumers, fatally wounding Ferguson’s bottom line in business and puncturing another big hole in his faith in humanity."

Harry Ferguson and the Three-Point Hitch - Mecum …

Well Worth the read. Sad Commentary. On 'Us'. He'll be one of the first when Awakened, i would think.

Too inherently lazy to check the original patent date(s) and the duration of patents back then. or too "Do the math". Even barefoot as i type.

Seems like CONgress 'extended' the patent on Viagra®. Twice.

Small wonder, hard as things were on people back then.
 
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Jac65

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I read you don't plough with any tractor under 40hp. At least maybe not on a new unworked field. Don't know if that's right, but it is what I have been reading on more than one site.

If you don't have a front loader or a lawn cutting pull behind implement, what do you use them for? For example, I found a good price on a Kubota B6000e. It is only the tractor. I can only cut the grass with it?

Are all the old tractors over 40hp?

Edit:. I read the Kubota was 10.5 hp. My jd L110 is 17.5, but no pto. I don't know what I'd do with the Kubota
Pretty sure you can plow with less than 40 HP
Just have to use the right equipment and set your expectations accordingly.
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I Piddle

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The fundamental importance of TRACTOR WEIGHT eludes many tractor shoppers. Tractor capability is more closely correlated to tractor weight than any other single (1) specification.

The compact tractor era functionally began when Henry Ford licensed Harry Ferguson's tractor and Three Point Hitch design in 1939. The tractor industry uniformly adopted the Three Point Hitch after 1955, when Ferguson's patents began to expire and his tractor and Three Point Hitch design were available to industry participants besides Ford open source.

There were tractors before the Ford 9N, including earlier Fords. However, less efficient, pre-TPH tractors did not clearly outperform draft animals and not many pre-TPH tractors were sold.

Ford's first Ferguson TPH tractor:

Ford 9N​


Ford 9N tractor photo
1939 - 1942
N Series
Utility tractor
Ford 9N Power
Drawbar (claimed):12.68 hp
9.5 kW
Belt (claimed):20.29 hp
15.1 kW
Plows:2 (14-inch)
Drawbar (tested):16.31 hp
12.2 kW
Engine (net):23.56 hp
17.6 kW
Ford 9N Weight
Shipping:2140 lbs
970 kg
Operating:2900 lbs
1315 kg
Ballasted:3375 lbs
1530 kg
Mechanical
Chassis:2WD
Steering:manual
Cab:Open operator station
Transmission:3-speed

Lots of grain threshers, well pumps and (laundry) washing machines ran off Ford 9N PTOs. Ford tractors often preceded grid electrical power on the farm by years.

Horses and mules continued to work USA farms through the 1950s.
Yeah, the 8N was the first tractor we got. Great tractor but you had to respect using it in the hills of Western Maryland. We pulled a baler and two bottom plows. Had to be an astute operator to pull and hold back a baler on these hills. Only 24 hp but the front end would stand in the air fairly quickly and flip over. I can remember two guys that were killed when their tractor flip back on them in the 1960s. It was a very common occurrence. I would think more people got killed on those tractors than any other. We always liked the tractor but gave it respect.
 
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I plowed my big garden along the creek in 2000 or so with a 12 hp Gravely using a rotary plow.

I'll bet most MCUTs could pull a single bottom plow. Too bad they don't make a rotary plow for any of them. Even a 1500 BX could probably plow with a rotary plow.

A friend's JD M was 18 hp gasoline. He gave me the soil ripper from it, which I converted to 3ph with his help doing the welding, per my design. I plowed the big garden again with it in 2004 using the soil ripper and bought 2 big discs that I put onto the tool bar and removed the cultivator tines. Made raised rows with the 2 big opposed discs using my 18.5 hp JD 4010. The JD with 4wd could do the work of the 2wd M: 4wd vs. weight.
I do have a L110 but I don't see that plowing much :).
 
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I grew up using a Farmall Model C, 23 HP, to pull a 2 bottom plow, 2 row cultivators, planters and anything else that needed being done. Also used a Ford 8N, 27HP, and pulled a 2 bottom plow in dry soil. As someone already mentioned, you either need a standard gear transmission for soil engagement activities or more than 50 HP to run your hydraulic gear train.
 
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I have about an acre where lots of trees were cut down so I'm sure there are roots. Maybe as long as I don't get too close to the stump it's ok.

10hp was enough for you?

Are the stumps visible and how big are they? When you say lots of trees, do you mean every 10 feet or every 50 feet? You might need bigger equipment to rip out/ dig up existing stumps and roots, then use the tractor for plowing/upkeep.

I see a lot of Ford 1100 and 1210, etc. for sale around my area for 4 to 5 grand in good condition. They are 4-wheel drive and should do everything you want to on that acre for gardening/general purpose upkeep.
 
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Maybe you big tractor guys need to work 50 acres with an N Ford and live with it for 40 years.
When your option is a mule, you are dad gum thankful for the Ford and you just take smaller bites.
I read this stuff and think, you folks really need to work a pine tree farm, very limited space, limited tractor size due to row spacing, with a need for power to lift downed trees. You learn all about the one bite at a time theory of farming.
 
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Maybe you big tractor guys need to work 50 acres with an N Ford and live with it for 40 years.
When your option is a mule, you are dad gum thankful for the Ford and you just take smaller bites.
I read this stuff and think, you folks really need to work a pine tree farm, very limited space, limited tractor size due to row spacing, with a need for power to lift downed trees. You learn all about the one bite at a time theory of farming.
Yes, most of us are spoiled rotten. A 30HP FWA diesel hydrostat utility tractor would have been the cat's meow on the farm back in the fifties and with a FEL to boot!
 
 
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