Time to Upgrade- Stuck in Analysis

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Jay Bee

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Ok, here is goes. First post... and I need help.

i have had a 1025r for 4 years that I just sold. I have the cash to roll over into a new tractor. I really enjoyed the 1025r. I moved to the country and it served its purpose well. I initially bought it because it could do a lot of different things. It was a "leatherman". However, over time, my tastes and needs have changed.

Here are my needs and use stats and how things have changed-

I live on 9 acres. This is a mix of wetland (4acres). Two acres of field. two acres of grass and miscellaneous open space (gardens, chickens, compost) walking trails. I have a 700' gravel driveway and a large pond. I heat with wood.

I cleared the snow (mid Wisconsin) with the loader. That got old really quick and i bought a plow truck.

I mowed with the tractor. While it worked fine there are a variety of trees, paths, playhouse, swingset, fences, garages, and I my boy got old enough to mow so I bought a dedicated mower.

I bought the 1025r so I could do a bit of everything but the main thing was to be able to mow and then do other chores. The chore list got long and the mowing priority disappeared.

Now that I dont need to mow with a tractor I can get a dedicated tractor that can do the other chores.

Here is my list of options-

Kubota L3301 (i would go with a L2501 but I cant find one)

Kioti CK3510se

JD 2032r

All three brands have a dealer close to me or within my county. I have sat on and operated all three and liked them all.

Pricing is close enough on all three that its not a consideration. (my budget is under 25k)

Future uses-

Grade and maintain gravel driveway

clear bits of snow and ice where the plow truck cant get to and on my pond for ice skating

move firewood and logs (I get a 13 cord truck worth every year)

add a culvert and driveway on a separate, but attached, lot I own. (included in acreage)

clear yard for landscaping project (dirt, pavers, mulch, light grading)

clean up a 300' x 40' section of a hill top for replanting trees

remove about 15 stumps and junky trees on a clearing for a future shop

I favor the Kioti with all the options on the SE but the price works out to about the same and I feel kubota has such a strong following it should be the better choice. I have a good friend that has the L3301 and cant say enough good about it. I think I am passing on the Deere. It cost more and the thing i hated about the 1025r was the deere bucket attachment system. I want SSQA for the options. Kubota pedal doesnt bother me.

My wife is sick of me deliberating and is urging me to buy something asap so all good there. Her only question is... if you die what will be easier for me to sell? I guess there is some logic there.

Help? Thoughts for my situation?
 
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Now that I dont need to mow with a tractor I can get a dedicated tractor that can do the other chores.

Kubota, Kioti and Deere have a dealer close to me or within my county. I have sat on and operated all three and liked them all.

Pricing is close enough on all three that its not a consideration. (my budget is under 25k)


Future uses-

Grade and maintain gravel driveway

move firewood and logs (I get a 13 cord truck worth every year)

add a culvert and driveway on a separate, but attached, lot I own. (included in acreage)

clear yard for landscaping project (dirt, pavers, mulch, light grading)

clean up a 300' x 40' section of a hill top for replanting trees


All above require tractor weight first.



clear bits of snow and ice where the plow truck cant get to and on my pond for ice skating

I have no idea on this application.


remove about 15 stumps and junky trees on a clearing for a future shop

This is work for a bulldozer or an excavator, not a tractor; not even a tractor equipped with a backhoe.


All three brands you are considering are high quality. Buy the heaviest bare tractor weight machine within your budget. Heaviest tractor will also be the widest tractor.

When considering a tractor purchase bare tractor weight first, tractor horsepower second, rear axle width third, rear wheel/tire ballast fourth.


VIDEO:
 
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You're going to die - that's a foregone conclusion. The question on that is when. You may outlive your wife and your tractor, one never knows. I went tractor shopping a couple years ago and liked the Kubota L3301 myself (or was it the L3901)? I don't remember. I settled on the L2501 for two major reasons. The first was that it had no diesel particulate filter (DPF). The other was the pure simplicity - I could easily work on it as there was no computer. If you don't need the power you may wish to stay at or below 25 horsepower. I'm one of the people who has had trouble with diesel pollution control. I now avoid it. Some have no problem whatsoever. The problems are not limited to any brand or model. This is just my experience. You may never have a problem, many don't. I won't again.
 
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Follow the wife’s advice. Buy green. Just be sure you have the horsepower to handle your equipment!
 
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Just my opinion, but I love the JD quick attach system. You can get just about any attachment in the JD style, but maybe for an up charge, I’ve noticed it usually costing an extra $100 or so. The advantage of the JD system is that it doesn’t add any weight, I’ve read an SSQA takes maybe a 100 pounds of lift capacity away. The big advantage of an SSQA would be if you already a lot of attachments in that style already or know someone that did whose attachments you could borrow.
 
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I don't know, but I would never touch a proprietary attachment system, given a Universal Alternative.

I am also old enough, that if I had to buy a tractor today, I wouldn't even have many current "Brands" on my list. Just wouldn't. Maybe in another twenty years they will have earned their spot on my list.
 
  
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Thanks all for your input. That video was great!

It’s down to the Kioti and Kubota if we are talking weight and then HP. Specs are so close you cant spit them apart very well.

I would go with the L2501 but there isn’t one around me. Both tractors have pro’s and cons. Both dealers are great. My wife was sort of joking when she said what to do if I die. I think she is tired of moving brochures around and wants me to get something and leave her alone. It’s not really apart of the decision. What do i care if I am gone...

Decisions decisions... what’s probably going to happen is I am going to debate so long they will all be sold and i wont be able to get anything. Arg!!!
 
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Had to check out this thread based on the listing:
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You can’t go wrong with any of the options you’re considering. All three will do what you need and do it reliably. If I was in your shoes, I’d go with the Kubota. Why because I have two (I’m biased), they’re great tractors and have great resale...especially in my area.

Mike
 

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My choice would be the L3301 over the Deere.
Just little things mostly. Nice long model run. Proven traditional design. 3 speed HST or shuttle would be a tough choice for me because I like them both. The SSQA is lightweight, quick, and universal. I personally like the Kubota seating better.

Since I don't know the Kioti, so can't compare it. Kubota is definitely more popular locally - that doesn't mean it is better, but probably easier to sell. So if you hate it you can probably swap for a Kioti, but around here it would be harder to go the other way.
 

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have you seen this:

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Interesting choices to compare. The Kioti 3510 has waaayyyy more loader capacity than the kubotas you mention, or the wimpy deere. And the 3510SE has all those nice optional features like telescoping rear 3-pt links, linked-pedal hydrostat, etc. The Exhaust DPF seems quite reliable on them, people are up over 1000 hours now without issue.

I cant wait to buy my 3510SE. Don't have the wife on board yet, since my current tractor still kicks arse too.
 
  
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Interesting choices to compare. The Kioti 3510 has waaayyyy more loader capacity than the kubotas you mention, or the wimpy deere. And the 3510SE has all those nice optional features like telescoping rear 3-pt links, linked-pedal hydrostat, etc. The Exhaust DPF seems quite reliable on them, people are up over 1000 hours now without issue.

I cant wait to buy my 3510SE. Don't have the wife on board yet, since my current tractor still kicks arse too.

I really like the Kioti. The specs are ridiculous for the price. I have a dealer 15 miles away and the price is good. My brother has one and loves it. The kubota dealer is a mile from my house and the price is great too. I have friends that have the L and love it. I am not getting much seperation here to make a decision.

Maybe I should just get a wheelbarrow and bottle of Advil?
 

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Since you are looking at the 3510SE instead of the 3510SE HST, I was wondering how you feel about that shuttle shift tranny over the HST?
 

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Expand your search to include a CTL. Sounds like you don’t really need a tractor from the tasks you listed, but maybe a CTL.

Costs more, though.
 

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I think you would be happy with either the Kubota or Kioti. Both are good tractors. I also think you are wise to back off the JD. Quite stressing and just make a decision. Basing it on something as simple as the comfort of the seating position is as important (if not more important and identifiable) as assumed resale value (either would resell well). You will be happy with either.

If you really enjoy stress in decision making you should consider the many other good brands out there too (Mahindra, Branson, Yanmar.... the list goes on)
 

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I've been right where you are and these were a couple of my takeaways:

Kubota: If you can make peace with the treadle thing then it's a great choice all around. That was a deal breaker for me however.

Kioti: Great tractor at a great price but dealer and factory support give me seriously bad vibes. You may never have to talk to a dealer again but if you have a major problem or need an obscure part you won't get the same level of support and availability you would from Kubota or Deere (my opinion). That goes for general information and manuals too.

Deere: It's a tad light but I consider that an advantage when it comes to the yard and trailering. A heavier tractor isn't always better, and removeable, reconfigurable weight offers flexibility. You can also trust that Deere will be there to help, and that it can be easily resold when/if you want to upgrade later.

Some dealers won't even take a non-Deere/Kubota in on trade, and if they do, don't expect much. I can't count how many things like that I've gone into thinking "I'll keep this forever" but then end up trading away a few years later, so don't discount that regardless of what you're thinking today. And personally I wouldn't get too caught up on price. If you keep it forever the extra money is insignificant, as is the extra $50 a month financing. And if you buy your second choice you'll still be left wanting the one you didn't get.
 

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Just going to throw this out there,

I saved $20K by not buying The Green One.

That is not a number to be lightly ignored. Sure as heck wasn't $50 a month either.
 

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I went through the analysis wringer recently. Was considering the JD 2038R. Didn't have one in stock but looked at the 2032R and it is a beautiful machine. I'd still consider the 2038R if I were you. The extra hp might come in handy someday. After much analysis, I stayed blue, with the nearest dealer, and a Workmaster 40. Still impressed with the Deere machines, though not so much with the 3E machines that are more comparable to the Workmaster.
I would tend to shy away from the proprietary hook up for the loader, but Deere is starting to put the skid steer style on some machines now, no? at least, I read that somewhere. Operating the new tractor is like starting from scratch - everything is different, and feels strange. But at least they put the brake on the left side on these so I will actually be able to use them for steering if I want. That's a big plus.
 

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You can put a SSQA setup on a JD. I think unless you own a JD you don’t appreciate there quick connect system. It’s very simple and adds no weight. The only drawback is if you already own a bunch of SSQA attachments. I own a bucket and forks so it works for me.
 
  
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Thanks all for your help. I plan on putting a deposit down today on a orange one.... L3301. Hopefully I dont have a panic attack at the last minute and decide I need a Grand L or something.

If all works out pics soon.
 

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Thanks all for your help. I plan on putting a deposit down today on a orange one.... L3301. Hopefully I dont have a panic attack at the last minute and decide I need a Grand L or something.

If all works out pics soon.
I did the analysis paralysis back in 2013 and ended up with an L3800. Sold it recently to someone who was using a neighbor's Kioti and would have nothing to do with buying those. I didn't hesitate to buy orange again (I had actually already bought my MX5800 before I sold the L3800)

The only annoying thing with the newer one so far is that it seems to want to do a regen at inopportune times... like when I'm doing small, low RPM tasks. Only once has it been good timing (seems to be every 25-30 hours).

Neighbor was helping me mow with his M8560 a few years back and it went into regen and caught fire. But that was because he had a birds nest sitting on top of it. So, if you have it exposed, check things out occasionally (not Kubota's fault on that one)

But, back to your decision - I think you will be happy with it. Congrats.
 

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My wife is sick of me deliberating and is urging me to buy something asap so all good there.

OK, I want one of those.

I would go Kubota, but all of my experience with JD has been with 50 year old tractors and I know nothing about Kioti. I didn't think the SSQA was that big of a deal, but I'm glad I have it (and actually took advantage of that before I bought my first SSQA attachment). I've never personally had an issue, but I'd avoid the pollution controls if the 25 hp will do it for you. Reading the spec, I had concerns about storing DEF in my barn in the winter, but people must use it in cold climates.
 

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OK, I want one of those.

I would go Kubota, but all of my experience with JD has been with 50 year old tractors and I know nothing about Kioti. I didn't think the SSQA was that big of a deal, but I'm glad I have it (and actually took advantage of that before I bought my first SSQA attachment). I've never personally had an issue, but I'd avoid the pollution controls if the 25 hp will do it for you. Reading the spec, I had concerns about storing DEF in my barn in the winter, but people must use it in cold climates.
Compact diesel tractors dont use DEF. They just have a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) that passively and actively regenerates (burns the soot out) as needed. Pretty proven technology at this point.
 

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The Kubota (at least the smaller ones including my MX series) don't require DEF. They do have a DPF and go through regen, but no DEF required.

I couldn't find a decent used MX5100 when looking for mine or I would have gone that way. I see a lot of the L2501's for sale around here - I am thinking people find them underpowered (I'm at 5000ft in elevation, so you definitely lose some power there - I like my turbo!)
 

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Thanks all for your help. I plan on putting a deposit down today on a orange one.... L3301. Hopefully I dont have a panic attack at the last minute and decide I need a Grand L or something.
Glad to know you are moving forward! Nothing against the other brands (which I own), but good choice. I have owned 3 Kubotas. L2350 (1992) that I bought well used and used heavily for 25 years, L3800 HST that I hated because of the HST, L3710 GST that I still have and love. The L3710 is like the L4600 in frame size.
 

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Just my opinion, but I love the JD quick attach system. You can get just about any attachment in the JD style, but maybe for an up charge, I’ve noticed it usually costing an extra $100 or so. The advantage of the JD system is that it doesn’t add any weight, I’ve read an SSQA takes maybe a 100 pounds of lift capacity away. The big advantage of an SSQA would be if you already a lot of attachments in that style already or know someone that did whose attachments you could borrow.
I disagree that the JDQA adds no weight. There is metal there above and beyond mere pins=added weight. There is more metal on the attachment than mere pin brackets=more weight! It is as heavy as SSQA? Perhaps not. Nor is it as common, thus a frequent up-charge for that mount. My son just had a 3025E delivered yesterday (4/15/2021) so not opposed to green, but relay facts!
 

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Ok, here is goes. First post... and I need help.

i have had a 1025r for 4 years that I just sold. I have the cash to roll over into a new tractor. I really enjoyed the 1025r. I moved to the country and it served its purpose well. I initially bought it because it could do a lot of different things. It was a "leatherman". However, over time, my tastes and needs have changed.

Here are my needs and use stats and how things have changed-

I live on 9 acres. This is a mix of wetland (4acres). Two acres of field. two acres of grass and miscellaneous open space (gardens, chickens, compost) walking trails. I have a 700' gravel driveway and a large pond. I heat with wood.

I cleared the snow (mid Wisconsin) with the loader. That got old really quick and i bought a plow truck.

I mowed with the tractor. While it worked fine there are a variety of trees, paths, playhouse, swingset, fences, garages, and I my boy got old enough to mow so I bought a dedicated mower.

I bought the 1025r so I could do a bit of everything but the main thing was to be able to mow and then do other chores. The chore list got long and the mowing priority disappeared.

Now that I dont need to mow with a tractor I can get a dedicated tractor that can do the other chores.

Here is my list of options-

Kubota L3301 (i would go with a L2501 but I cant find one)

Kioti CK3510se

JD 2032r

All three brands have a dealer close to me or within my county. I have sat on and operated all three and liked them all.

Pricing is close enough on all three that its not a consideration. (my budget is under 25k)

Future uses-

Grade and maintain gravel driveway

clear bits of snow and ice where the plow truck cant get to and on my pond for ice skating

move firewood and logs (I get a 13 cord truck worth every year)

add a culvert and driveway on a separate, but attached, lot I own. (included in acreage)

clear yard for landscaping project (dirt, pavers, mulch, light grading)

clean up a 300' x 40' section of a hill top for replanting trees

remove about 15 stumps and junky trees on a clearing for a future shop

I favor the Kioti with all the options on the SE but the price works out to about the same and I feel kubota has such a strong following it should be the better choice. I have a good friend that has the L3301 and cant say enough good about it. I think I am passing on the Deere. It cost more and the thing i hated about the 1025r was the deere bucket attachment system. I want SSQA for the options. Kubota pedal doesnt bother me.

My wife is sick of me deliberating and is urging me to buy something asap so all good there. Her only question is... if you die what will be easier for me to sell? I guess there is some logic there.

Help? Thoughts for my situation?

I had the L3301 and I would suggest buy once, cry once. You might as well upgrade to the next size because a good chance that's what you will want. You will hear "Upgrade to the next size of the tractor you think you need".

I upgraded to the MX5400 and so far there is a night and day difference. The PTO hp will give you the flexibility of running just about anything you need and run it well. The L3301 just handled the RCR2660 rotary cutter. I've graded my driveway last week and I could tell the bigger tractor did a much better job with the extra weight and hp.
 

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I've no input for OP, just stopped by to say to say that my monitor's size and the forum format made for a really interesting preview of the title. Just a few letters makes quite a difference.
 

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When I compare the weight of the JD quick connect system I’m comparing it to a pin on bucket. I have my doubts that the JD system adds much, if any weight above a pin on system. There has to be the extra metal that you refer to just so the loader arms and bucket don’t tear apart from usage.
 
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Ok, here is goes. First post... and I need help.

i have had a 1025r for 4 years that I just sold. I have the cash to roll over into a new tractor. I really enjoyed the 1025r. I moved to the country and it served its purpose well. I initially bought it because it could do a lot of different things. It was a "leatherman". However, over time, my tastes and needs have changed.

Here are my needs and use stats and how things have changed-

I live on 9 acres. This is a mix of wetland (4acres). Two acres of field. two acres of grass and miscellaneous open space (gardens, chickens, compost) walking trails. I have a 700' gravel driveway and a large pond. I heat with wood.

I cleared the snow (mid Wisconsin) with the loader. That got old really quick and i bought a plow truck.

I mowed with the tractor. While it worked fine there are a variety of trees, paths, playhouse, swingset, fences, garages, and I my boy got old enough to mow so I bought a dedicated mower.

I bought the 1025r so I could do a bit of everything but the main thing was to be able to mow and then do other chores. The chore list got long and the mowing priority disappeared.

Now that I dont need to mow with a tractor I can get a dedicated tractor that can do the other chores.

Here is my list of options-

Kubota L3301 (i would go with a L2501 but I cant find one)

Kioti CK3510se

JD 2032r

All three brands have a dealer close to me or within my county. I have sat on and operated all three and liked them all.

Pricing is close enough on all three that its not a consideration. (my budget is under 25k)

Future uses-

Grade and maintain gravel driveway

clear bits of snow and ice where the plow truck cant get to and on my pond for ice skating

move firewood and logs (I get a 13 cord truck worth every year)

add a culvert and driveway on a separate, but attached, lot I own. (included in acreage)

clear yard for landscaping project (dirt, pavers, mulch, light grading)

clean up a 300' x 40' section of a hill top for replanting trees

remove about 15 stumps and junky trees on a clearing for a future shop

I favor the Kioti with all the options on the SE but the price works out to about the same and I feel kubota has such a strong following it should be the better choice. I have a good friend that has the L3301 and cant say enough good about it. I think I am passing on the Deere. It cost more and the thing i hated about the 1025r was the deere bucket attachment system. I want SSQA for the options. Kubota pedal doesnt bother me.

My wife is sick of me deliberating and is urging me to buy something asap so all good there. Her only question is... if you die what will be easier for me to sell? I guess there is some logic there.

Help? Thoughts for my situation?
I bought the Kioti CK3510SE HST last year and love it. Got a loader , tiller, stump bucket, bush hog, post hole digger and grapple. Awesome tool!
 

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I would go with the L2501 but there isn’t one around me.
If this is the case, why are you not considering the Kioti CK2610? Of the 25hp options on the market this tractor has the unique advantage that the engine is a detuned 35hp with large volume and has higher PTO than any 25hp tractor out there (admittedly bold statement, but of the brands available to me when I recently shopped). Like someone else pointed out, the loader on the Kioti has way more lift and 20" higher than JD, and is 1000lb better breakout force than either option.

You mentioned culverts and stumps, are you looking at a backhoe? Can't deny the Kubota backhoes, but the Kioti is also very good. You need to go 4 series with JD before you can get a backhoe that compares with either for digging force and simple things like 180 degree boom swing.

If Kioti doesn't have stock on the 25hp, Bobcat CT2025 is the same tractor and I got mine for less than a Kioti. I prefer the Bobcat backhoe which pins on/off similar to Kubota/JD. The Kioti subframe remains on the backhoe so it takes up more room stored, but some people like the design because the 3pt hitch can remain in place.

Kioti/Bobcat win on tractor weight, but Kubota is close.

L series Kubotas have the loader control up by the steering wheel, not a fan of that if using it a lot.
 

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Ok, here is goes. First post... and I need help.

i have had a 1025r for 4 years that I just sold. I have the cash to roll over into a new tractor. I really enjoyed the 1025r. I moved to the country and it served its purpose well. I initially bought it because it could do a lot of different things. It was a "leatherman". However, over time, my tastes and needs have changed.

Here are my needs and use stats and how things have changed-

I live on 9 acres. This is a mix of wetland (4acres). Two acres of field. two acres of grass and miscellaneous open space (gardens, chickens, compost) walking trails. I have a 700' gravel driveway and a large pond. I heat with wood.

I cleared the snow (mid Wisconsin) with the loader. That got old really quick and i bought a plow truck.

I mowed with the tractor. While it worked fine there are a variety of trees, paths, playhouse, swingset, fences, garages, and I my boy got old enough to mow so I bought a dedicated mower.

I bought the 1025r so I could do a bit of everything but the main thing was to be able to mow and then do other chores. The chore list got long and the mowing priority disappeared.

Now that I dont need to mow with a tractor I can get a dedicated tractor that can do the other chores.

Here is my list of options-

Kubota L3301 (i would go with a L2501 but I cant find one)

Kioti CK3510se

JD 2032r

All three brands have a dealer close to me or within my county. I have sat on and operated all three and liked them all.

Pricing is close enough on all three that its not a consideration. (my budget is under 25k)

Future uses-

Grade and maintain gravel driveway

clear bits of snow and ice where the plow truck cant get to and on my pond for ice skating

move firewood and logs (I get a 13 cord truck worth every year)

add a culvert and driveway on a separate, but attached, lot I own. (included in acreage)

clear yard for landscaping project (dirt, pavers, mulch, light grading)

clean up a 300' x 40' section of a hill top for replanting trees

remove about 15 stumps and junky trees on a clearing for a future shop

I favor the Kioti with all the options on the SE but the price works out to about the same and I feel kubota has such a strong following it should be the better choice. I have a good friend that has the L3301 and cant say enough good about it. I think I am passing on the Deere. It cost more and the thing i hated about the 1025r was the deere bucket attachment system. I want SSQA for the options. Kubota pedal doesnt bother me.

My wife is sick of me deliberating and is urging me to buy something asap so all good there. Her only question is... if you die what will be easier for me to sell? I guess there is some logic there.

Help? Thoughts for my situation?
Don't love the Kabota too much. 700' driveway to maintain with gravel will cost you every other year of replacing front axle bearings. The 3000 series tractor cannot handle 'real' weight on its front axle. My neighbors 10 year old 3000 is impeccably maintained but we have had that front axle apart 4 times. The job is not too much fun and necessary parts are about $800. Not mention when it fails without warning, you gotta pull it apart in the field.
 

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Hopefully you have made your decision and will be happy for years to come...

But...

I would be negotiating on this instead of a new 3301.


If your dealer is charging you list (or close to it) on a 3301 with a FEL and bucket, you are looking at right around the same money (not sure on financing or if you plan on doing so, but its at a kubota dealer so they ought to be able to work something out with your large down payment).

Low hours, more hp, more weight, way more loader capacity, more rear lift, more hydraulic flow a bit larger (more comfortable work station to me), etc. Also no emission stuff, more hp for more attachments, etc.

Good luck!
 

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The manual for the Yanmar YT235C says first time 50 hours after that
every 200 hours/ Running low rpms means more soot! The light comes on and you hold the button down for 3 seconds and keep o;n working.

Kubota, Koiti and John Deere all have to stop to do this.
John Deere takes approx 30 to 40 min?
Koiti takes about 11 min?
Kubota takes about 20 min?

willy
 
  
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Thanks all for your replies and input. The deal has been made and the L3301 will be delivered next Wednesday.

Now I have to stay away from the what ifs and what about the’s...
 

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Human nature to second guess yourself. Congrats on the purchase and post some pics and feedback when you get it.
 

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Congrats on your new toy....ehhh... I mean tool! Good looking tractor!
 
  
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Well that didn’t take long. I don’t deserve anything nice. Note to future buyers. When you mount your quick attach make sure you lift it slowly and make sure it doesn’t hit anything. If your top link is all the way in you could bust out a tail light.
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Nice machine! And congrats on getting the first piece of damage out of the way. Now you can relax and just use the thing.

Nice log pile, too
 

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Nice machine! And congrats on getting the first piece of damage out of the way. Now you can relax and just use the thing.

Nice log pile, too
Yeah, now that i knocked the new off it i dont feel so bad to put it to work and get it dirty and scratched.

I did want to cry though.
 

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Well that didn’t take long. I don’t deserve anything nice. Note to future buyers. When you mount your quick attach make sure you lift it slowly and make sure it doesn’t hit anything. If your top link is all the way in you could bust out a tail light. View attachment 696317

So you don't feel so bad...basically the same thing happened to me (to a lesser extent) on my brand-new L2501. As I was bringing up the QH, I saw that it was touching the rear light bezels. I adjusted the top link but, I didn't account for any side-to-side movement on the 3pt hitch. Well, that was a mistake and I deeply scratched and scuffed both my rear tail light bezels on my new L2501. I feel your pain.

Mike
 
 
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