This afternoon I once again tried 160gr Lee cast lead PC and 200gr Lee cast lead PC bullets in 308, and was amazed by how bad this Ruger shoots any lead bullets I've tried. Anyways, came back in and noticed I have 3 very similar bullets; Hornady 168gr BTHP, Hornady 168gr Amax, and Speer 168gr BTHPs; and decided to load 10 of each at 40.0gr of IMR4895, at 2.800". Didn't get a chance to shoot them, but I figured it would be a fun test. Speer BTHPs are significantly cheaper, but in 223 and 6.5 Gre sel; I've always been just underwhelmed by Speer; not terrible; but just not equal to Hornady or Sierra; never tried them in 308. My 270 shoots soo bad, I can't tell the difference (it shoots factory Remington CoreLok 130grs the best of anything I've tried).