Used L3710 or New L3830

[Anonymous Poster]

Hi folks, I live on the border of a state so I could save quite a few tax $ by shopping across the line. Here are my choices:

1) Brand new L3830 HST, LA723 loader, L2203 Joy, L2263 bucket, woods 6' boxblade, R4 tires -------------$21,470 NO TAX
This place is about 40miles from my house and across the state line. I haven't been there yet so I don't know about the parts/repair departments.




2) Brand new L3830 HST, LA723 loader, L2203 Joy, L2263 bucket, Woods 6' boxblade, R4 tires--------$21,450 + TAX
This place is about 35 miles from my house inside my state. They have a fully stocked parts dept. and say that their mechanics have been around and know their Kubotas.

They said they'd be happy to service my tractor even if I didn't buy it from them, but I'm sure I would wonder about the price I'd have to pay for not purchasing from them.


3) Used 1999 L3710 HST with Kubota loader, 300+ hrs. Looks pretty good, haven't been on it yet. $16,450 + Tax + $600 for a new boxblade.
This tractor is at the same place as #2.



Wudda Ya Think?
Kevin

 

[thcri]

Kevin,

A word of advice. You buy a tractor in another state and by law you are to report it in the state you are residing in. If you ever get audited you will get taxed. If the dealership that sells you the tractor is audited they will come and check you out. Buying in another state only releives you of the tax in that state, not in your own state.

Call your accountant, he would tell you the laws in your state.

just my 2 cents worth

murph

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Thanks for that "heads up" Murph. This is something that I didn't realize. I'm sure this must vary from state to state huh?

Where do they draw the line? ie: what products. If I buy something through a mailorder catalog and have it shipped here I don't pay tax on it.

 

[thcri]

On smaller items it is easy to get away with. But when you are dealing with a larger purchase such as a $20,000 tractor they will want their money. Cars are controlled by the licensing. You buy in one state but you license it in another, you will have to pay the sales tax at that point. I own a business and I do have to report out of state sales or installations. Anyway what I am saying on a purchase like that, make sure you talk to your accountant or the tractor dealer since he is on the border would be able to answer that.

but if y ou can get away with the sales tax, that would be a big savings.
murph

 

[Casimir]

I agree with Murph. Check the laws in your State. Your profile doesn't say what State you are in, but many States have agreements with neighboring States to report major sales. Some States, like VA, don't charge sales tax, or have a reduced tax, if the tractor is for agricultural use.

You could buy quite a few toys -- uh, implements /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif-- with the $5K difference, even after paying sales tax. To me, the L3710 sounds like the best deal. 300 hours is hardly broken in. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[JATO_RaT]

The nice thing about the L3830 or even the L3430 or L3130 all have available to them a much higher capacity loader then does the L3710 have and with 4 bar linkage allowing much greater bucket angles. Other things are not as considerable although the 3 pt. hitch lift capacity is much increased. I had considered the L3830, it gives you larger rear tires, a little more HP, but I needed neither so I am considering the L3130 or L3430 instead. I have looked at other brands but spec for spec, they just don't stack up to the L 30 series. The tax issue is true. In our state, although you don't have to license the tractor, there is a "use tax" you are expected to pay. I paid mine voluntarily since I bought it out of state. If you take out a loan, your state may find out via the loan process and simply send you a bill to pay taxes. If you don't take out a loan, you may still be found to be in ownership via various ways. One of my local dealers may have gone as far as to notify the tax agency on me. It's a big sore spot with some of them and understandably so, it really hurts their business. Rat.

 

[crown]

As Murph stated the tax liability does go with you and the state you reside in. I speak from experience I bought mine across state lines actually he was closer to me than any in my state. I thought I was saving some big bucks, one and a half years later the consumer use tax bill arrived with penalty and interest tacked on. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Oh well live and learn.
Good luck I think in your case go with the dealer you feel most comfortable with.

 

[JeffRey30747]

I have a L3710DT that is one year old and my uncle just bought a new L3130HST. The new Grand L 30 series has some convenience features that put it ahead of the old 10 series, but the 10 series is by no means out of the running. The two things that I really like in the new 30 series are the hood that raises instead of panels that come off the sides and the three point arms that adjust for length to simplify hookup are now standard equipment. The loader frame on the 10 series looks stronger since it is braced to the grill guard and the internal lift and power steering cylinders would probably be less susceptible to damage. Drive them both, look them over and form your own opinion.
Oh, I almost forgot, the new 30 series has a cupholder! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[MDSteve]

I have a 3710 with HST and looked closely at the newer models and could not justify the increased cost. The HST works great for hooking up implements so the new 3pt links didn't impress me. I also didn't like the new style hood. I think it just looks funny. My dealer wanted 2000 diffrence between my 3710/FEL with 150 hours vs the 3830/FEL. My dealer can sell the L 10 series tractors as fast as he gets them because it has been tried and tested for years. The new model with all the electronics scares some folks. They think the more automated it is the more expensive and frequent the repairs maybe.

I would drive the 3710 and 3830 see what you like better. After 15 years that 5K diffence in price won't matter much, if you get the tractor you want.

Steve

 

[grainger12002]

$5,000 is a lot of cash, might be a good idea to take a closer look at the used model?