I met Carl a couple times and if I could have pulled away for a while would have taken him up on a job setup offer intro. I never went to his place, I met him a couple of events and had dinner. We ran a couple beads at a field test. He said it would be fairly easy to float to the top as they had a couple bigger bridge things maybe not tooo far off his back yard. I didnt want to commit, wouldnt have been any real skin off him and could have been shorter in hindsite but they were in a push for bridge quality wire welding and having problems getting a lot of the chimps to learn to set the wire speed right.