When is a Grapple a Tree Shear?

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The marketers for the gorilla grapple pulled a fast one. They used the number for cylinder force for a 4" cylinder at 3000 pounds and indicated that this is the force at the ends of the tines. However, based on the dimensions you shared, the force at the end of the tines is on average about 1/5th of the cylinder force, or about 7500 pounds. The force would vary through the the arc as the cylinder angle changes.

I think that's a common marketing practice. To get the cylinder force at the ends of the tines the cylinder stroke would have to be the same length as their travel distance?? At least I think that's right??
 

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XFax started this thread to show off his equipment and show his pictures. I think it's pretty disrespectful to come right out and start giving him a hard time for posting pictures online of his equipment. If you don't want to look at them, no one is forcing you to open his thread.

Personally, I think if you post too many non relevant pictures/info in someone else's thread, then there is justification to call someone out on it within reason, however, if you guys have a problem with him starting his own thread and posting pics, then I think that is quite disrespectful. This is just my own opinion and take that for what it's worth.

If you guys aren't aware, there is an "ignore" option that will block you from seeing all of someones posts.

And what has been your contribution to this thread?? ;)
 

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Derek, I'm assuming they are just as prolific in VA as they are in MO???? :(

Probably so, you can count on them taking over fence rows and rocky areas if left unattended.
 

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WOW you children amaze me ! XFAX Can take pictures , post them , and obviously works very hard . What works for him , works for him ! Richard , 4750 , dt 86, you need to find someone else to pick on . I AM RIGHT HERE .
 

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And by the way undrszd is that your grader you keep showing off ? No, it is the township machine . Really did enjoy your posts till lately .
 
  
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The reason that I started this thread was because I had never seen any pictures of a grapple shearing a tree trunk.

This happened unplanned, I was headed up the trail to extend the other end further up the deep creek.

I came to the fallen dead tree in the first picture, knew it would be difficult to get to it from either side to pull it out of the way. Then I remembered the outlandish crushing power claims by the manufacturer and decided to see what would happen if I tried to crush it with one tine. So I posted the pictures. :shocked:
 

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. So I posted the pictures. :shocked:

I'm glad you did Dennis. By the way, reading through this thread and looking at the photos gave me an idea. I wonder how difficult it would be to rig up a hydraulic chainsaw on the edge of my grapple.

I'm picturing something like a wood processor bar/chain setup, that would be able to mount/dismount to the right edge of the grapple frame, then when clearing trees, knock the tree over, grab it in the grapple, activate the chainsaw using a rear remote, cutting the tree into a section as wide as the grapple, then repeat.

Seems it would quickly cut long trees into manageable sections to carry through the woods. I know you wouldn't have much use for it but in the thick New England woods I live in it could be a pretty cool addition to the grapple!
 

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WOW you children amaze me ! XFAX Can take pictures , post them , and obviously works very hard . What works for him , works for him ! Richard , 4750 , dt 86, you need to find someone else to pick on . I AM RIGHT HERE .

Kevin, I didn't know I was picking on anyone. If Xfaxman thought I was picking on him he would defend himself. Him and I have had several debates about things. I don't take it personal. I'm pretty sure he doesn't. If he does all he has to do is say so and I will immediately apologize. Actually I think I already have apologized to him in this thread.

YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT WHAT???
 

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And by the way undrszd is that your grader you keep showing off ? No, it is the township machine . Really did enjoy your posts till lately .

I'm surprised you are lowering yourself to calling me names and accusing me of showing off. Not sure what that is all about.

Now you are being personal in your comments. I got it.
 
  
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I'm glad you did Dennis. By the way, reading through this thread and looking at the photos gave me an idea. I wonder how difficult it would be to rig up a hydraulic chainsaw on the edge of my grapple.

I'm picturing something like a wood processor bar/chain setup, that would be able to mount/dismount to the right edge of the grapple frame, then when clearing trees, knock the tree over, grab it in the grapple, activate the chainsaw using a rear remote, cutting the tree into a section as wide as the grapple, then repeat.

Seems it would quickly cut long trees into manageable sections to carry through the woods. I know you wouldn't have much use for it but in the thick New England woods I live in it could be a pretty cool addition to the grapple!

I have seen something like that on a bucket, maybe someone will remember it.
 

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I'm glad you did Dennis. By the way, reading through this thread and looking at the photos gave me an idea. I wonder how difficult it would be to rig up a hydraulic chainsaw on the edge of my grapple.

I'm picturing something like a wood processor bar/chain setup, that would be able to mount/dismount to the right edge of the grapple frame, then when clearing trees, knock the tree over, grab it in the grapple, activate the chainsaw using a rear remote, cutting the tree into a section as wide as the grapple, then repeat.

Seems it would quickly cut long trees into manageable sections to carry through the woods. I know you wouldn't have much use for it but in the thick New England woods I live in it could be a pretty cool addition to the grapple!

Good contribution. Complex but effective if set up right.
 
  
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WOW you children amaze me ! XFAX Can take pictures , post them , and obviously works very hard . What works for him , works for him ! Richard , 4750 , dt 86, you need to find someone else to pick on . I AM RIGHT HERE .

Kevin, I didn't know I was picking on anyone. If Xfaxman thought I was picking on him he would defend himself. Him and I have had several debates about things. I don't take it personal. I'm pretty sure he doesn't. If he does all he has to do is say so and I will immediately apologize. Actually I think I already have apologized to him in this thread.

YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT WHAT???
I took it to mean he was RIGHT THERE for you to pick on him. :)

Yep, I don't take it personal.
 

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I took it to mean he was RIGHT THERE for you to pick on him. :)

Yep, I don't take it personal.

Oh, I get it now. I'm kinda slow. :)
 

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I don't really see any shear incorporated into the grapple, although such would be very usefull at times. I pick up thirty or forty foot long trees and then have no place to go, because the existing trees are too close together. Many times I just let them break off, but this is hard on everything and defeats the purpose of the excercise.
 

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I don't really see any shear incorporated into the grapple, although such would be very usefull at times. I pick up thirty or forty foot long trees and then have no place to go, because the existing trees are too close together. Many times I just let them break off, but this is hard on everything and defeats the purpose of the excercise.

Yep, I struggle with that as well. And I hate to drag a log out of the timber. Fills the bark with dirt which dulls the crap out of the chainsaw. So, if it's simply debris I let them break off and then go around and gather up the crumbs. If it's good firewood I end up blocking it in the timber and then carrying it to the split pile. Adds another function to the process.
 
  
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I don't really see any shear incorporated into the grapple, although such would be very usefull at times. ----------------------
It is not designed to be a shear, I just used it as a shear.
Look at these shears, note how one blade slides past the other:

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Look at the grapple, note how the top tine slides past the lower tine:

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That is how it sheared the trunk. :thumbsup:
 
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That first shear. Do the straps go around ones ankles? Probably good for light brush only.

Still don't really understand your other picture. So you didn't cut off a log, you kind of shredded a stump if I understand correctly using the inter-twining teeth of the grapple.
 
  
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That first shear. Do the straps go around ones ankles? Probably good for light brush only.

Still don't really understand your other picture. So you didn't cut off a log, you kind of shredded a stump if I understand correctly using the inter-twining teeth of the grapple.

The first shear is held in your hand.

To understand the other pictures you have to click "First" at the top or bottom of this page and read the first post.
 

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I do like how the "teeth" overlap - I can see where there could be some advantages to that!
Thanks for sharing. I alway enjoy looking at all the photos and seeing what people are doing with their machines.
 

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WOW you children amaze me ! XFAX Can take pictures , post them , and obviously works very hard . What works for him , works for him ! Richard , 4750 , dt 86, you need to find someone else to pick on . I AM RIGHT HERE .
I didn't know we were "picking" on anyone. I don't think Xfaxman or anyone else feels that way. You are the one acting childish and called names. I have taken some flack before ( ok not 9 pages worth), and I didn't feel like anyone was picking on me. There are full on knock down drag outs that go on here all the time. The First thing that comes to mind would be anything that involves drones and the single lid VS duel lid grapple debate.
 
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The limbinator?

That's it!

Basically take the limbinator, but mount the saw to the edge of the bucket (so it isn't sticking up in the air) and have it function like it would on a firewood processor, where when you open the flow to the hydrualic motor, it spins up the chain, and then pivots the bar down, cutting the log as it goes, then when you shut flow off, it returns back up.

SO, pretty much a combination of the Limbinator and a firewood processor bar. Sounds expensive. :D

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WOW you children amaze me ! XFAX Can take pictures , post them , and obviously works very hard . What works for him , works for him ! Richard , 4750 , dt 86, you need to find someone else to pick on . I AM RIGHT HERE .


Easy dude.

I ribbed faxman for doing things differently than myself, which was intended as good old fashion funnin. I hope he knew that. If we all did things the same it'd be a pretty boring world.
 
  
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The marketers for the gorilla grapple pulled a fast one. They used the number for cylinder force for a 4" cylinder at 3000 pounds and indicated that this is the force at the ends of the tines. However, based on the dimensions you shared, the force at the end of the tines is on average about 1/5th of the cylinder force, or about 7500 pounds. The force would vary through the the arc as the cylinder angle changes.

I think that's a common marketing practice. To get the cylinder force at the ends of the tines the cylinder stroke would have to be the same length as their travel distance?? At least I think that's right??
Well I just heard back from Sidney Mfg., gladehound is right, it is 7204 pounds.

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All I know is, it is strong enough to do whatever I have needed it to do. :thumbsup:

Had to be careful not to crush the concrete, when picking it up.

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Had to be careful not to break this one, so I didn't close the tines down tight on it.

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What is that little dump machine - looks neat
 

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How many scoops does it take to fill it.
 

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Does the V417 have the traction to completely fill the bucket in dry dirt?
 

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That is pretty cool - bet it is really handy for moving a lot of dirt
 
  
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Does the V417 have the traction to completely fill the bucket in dry dirt?
Yep, note the bucket teeth marks in the hard shiny red clay.

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Yep, note the bucket teeth marks in the hard shiny red clay. <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=454547"/> <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=454548"/>
Clay is still easy digging compared to the dirt we have. How tall is that dump truck. My tractor can just barely load a 1 Ton dump, and yours looks taller.

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How tall is that dump truck. My tractor can just barely load a 1 Ton dump, and yours looks taller.
From a brochure: 1630 mm (64.1732283 inches) to the front lip.

It warmed up to over 40 degrees, so I went out and measured it: front is 64", side is 69".

The V417 is 6.5' to the top of the cab.
 
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1630 mm (64.1732283 inches) to the front lip. The V417 is 6.5' to the top of the cab.
That's not as tall as it looks. The average cut could load that without any trouble.
 

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Do you want to come over to my house and play? You could bring your toys and we could have all kinds of fun!!:laughing: Ed
 

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Xfaxman Do you want to come over to my house and play? You could bring your toys and we could have all kinds of fun!!:laughing: Ed
It would be a long haul.
 
  
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Used my test gauge to check the pressure at the aux connector on the boom.

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Showed 3200 psi

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Put the grapple on and clamped the center tines on a chunk of 4" thick concrete.

Squeezed and the relief opened, but no crush. :confused:

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Tried a different piece, couldn't crush it, but with some curl down, it broke.

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Fortunately I don't need to crush concrete with it. :thumbsup:
 
 
 
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