Why are people in Indianapolis going postal.

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It's just a statistical fluke. In a population of 330 million, if one in a million is a psycopathic mass murder, then there are 330 of these creatures among us. Indianapolis is just unfortunate to have several of them. They don't necessarily have to be distributed evenly across the country.
 

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It's just a statistical fluke. In a population of 330 million, if one in a million is a psycopathic mass murder, then there are 330 of these creatures among us. Indianapolis is just unfortunate to have several of them. They don't necessarily have to be distributed evenly across the country.
...and they probably aren't. While there don't seem to be many studies on the matter (at least not the last I looked) it'd seem population density would have an effect on anti-social behavior.

After all who wouldn't go (at least) a bit nuts if they had heavy-footed neighbors above them, half-deaf (or soon to be) neighbors to one-side playing loud music/TV much of the time - add in continual exposure to inconsiderate drivers, and potentially interacting with the general public in a customer service job.

Doesn't help when some parent's actively train their kids to be jerks either (actually overhead a guy telling his young son "That's how you treat cashiers" while walking out of a store ...after having been a bit of a gruff jerk).

So given that some seem to believe in gaining social status by running others down, it could almost be considered a miracle there isn't more violence in densely populated cities (actually I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is more than is reported/recorded).
 

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no, it’s not, because you failed to account for the fact that there’s far fewer cops in America (635,781) than black men (20.4 million). Its not a “1 to 1” ratio. Your math formula is incorrect.
This is a prime example of how we are being brainwashed with false media narratives every day, then the resulting comment “just racist hate propaganda“ follows. As a result people start hating each other. It’s unnecessary and spreads more hate.

Bloomberg 2015:
According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 18 law enforcement officers were killed by Black men that year. According to the Washington Post’s database of police killings, which a BJS survey found to be pretty accurate, 36 unarmed Black men were killed by the police. There were 635,781 police officers and sheriff’s deputies in the U.S. in 2015, according to the FBI, and 20.4 million Black men, according to the Census Bureau. I’m not quite sure how Mac Donald ascertained how many of the nation’s Black men were unarmed, but I just assumed they all were.

In both cases the odds of being killed were quite small: 2.8 deaths per 100,000 in the case of police and 0.18 for unarmed Black men. Divide the former by the latter and you get a ratio of 16, close enough to Mac Donald’s 18.5”

And once again, for the record, they aren’t MY statistics. They are Heather MacDonalds from her book ”The War on Cops” and they have been researched and critiqued pretty thoroughly.

If the cops shoot one person undeservedly, it’s a tragedy, but not teaching all citizens to comply during an arrest resulting in a police shooting or worse, a death is also a tragedy. And it’s mostly preventable.
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain
 
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I didn’t infer that you are stupid at all, maybe a bit emotional, but that’s understandable

When you say “infringe upon rights”, not sure what you mean. When you are pulled over on suspicion of something, you don’t have the “rights” to fight with cops, resist arrest, or drive off. Not without more serious consequences. That’s how citizens and cops get hurt or killed. I agree that cops going crazy on someone for an unregistered vehicle or minor traffic violation isn’t right, either.

The inference I am trying to make with the New Mexico cop is that the “news” media is not giving equal air time to cops being killed by citizens as time is given (practically a non stop running loop) of cops killing citizens. And plenty of cops are being assaulted and killed by citizens.

5 Dallas cops were murdered a few years back, and little to no acknowledgement for their sacrifice was given. Dallas Police 'Ambush': 12 Officers Shot, 5 Killed During Protest

The media reports are fewer and smaller when a cop is killed and although they have no more rights than an ordinary citizen, they should have the right to be covered equally by the media when they are murdered.
One other point I would like to make is when Mayors of major cities allow their police forces to be drenched in buckets of water, spit on, cruel insults hurled at them and humiliated in other ways, it opens the door for further, more violent acts. Those acts are now pervasive in our society. Why not make some time to encourage citizens to not resist arrest?
The same clowns who will then call the police to help them when they are in trouble.
Cops are getting a raw deal in the media. Yes, the bad ones should be weeded out, but the good ones are holding the line between us and anarchy. When our leaders refer to them as “storm troopers” “racist”, and other negative connotations like that are used, it’s shameful painting of a group with a very broad brush.
When our “leaders” degrade and dehumanize cops, isnt disrespect and resisting arrest a logical next step?
Maybe our ”leaders” are fueling the fire of citizens being killed by cops?
Many people are more traditional in their definition of police rights and responsibilities. The job of a police officer is to investigate possible crimes and put an accused person in front of a judge. It is not their job to determine guilt or innocence, or to execute people without trial or representation. Lethal force is only justified if the citizen initiates lethal force. If they are uncooperative or attempt to escape, only non-lethal tactics are justifiable.
 

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Not only that —- but 100% ignorant about the process to purchase guns. But then again - no surprise by drive by critics.

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Pretty accurate about background checks, though. The Indianapolis shooter was able to legally purchase two firearms after the cops took his shotgun away.

If gun owners don't quit denying their responsibilities, they are going to lose that right.
 

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Pretty accurate about background checks, though. The Indianapolis shooter was able to legally purchase two firearms after the cops took his shotgun away.

If gun owners don't quit denying their responsibilities, they are going to lose that right.
The reason he was still able to purchase firearms without any red flags, was because after that first incident where the police confiscated his shotgun that he willingly gave up, the case was turned over to a prosecutor. The prosecutor never put it before a judge. Only a judge can rule on it.

No judge. No ruling. No red flag. No problem purchasing more firearms.
 

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Many people are more traditional in their definition of police rights and responsibilities. The job of a police officer is to investigate possible crimes and put an accused person in front of a judge. It is not their job to determine guilt or innocence, or to execute people without trial or representation. Lethal force is only justified if the citizen initiates lethal force. If they are uncooperative or attempt to escape, only non-lethal tactics are justifiable.
This is where it's at for the first officer being tried under California's new law.

Person was swinging a bat and acting erratically in a San Leandro Walmart.

Is a baseball bat or someone infected with aids, etc lethal?

Must the officer take the first hit prior to escalating?

We have cases of individuals killed by being slammed to the concrete... especially elderly victims... the push was lethal.
 

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Many people are more traditional in their definition of police rights and responsibilities. The job of a police officer is to investigate possible crimes and put an accused person in front of a judge. It is not their job to determine guilt or innocence, or to execute people without trial or representation. Lethal force is only justified if the citizen initiates lethal force. If they are uncooperative or attempt to escape, only non-lethal tactics are justifiable.
Who isn’t agreeing with that?
The problem with the part I highlighted is you must be expecting perfection. Very few citizens are killed by cops as a percentage when you see how many interactions they have per year with citizens. Cops are in danger, TOO.
 
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And it is so hard to catch the criminals in the first place. A shooting this week in LaPlace Louisiana occurred at a child's birthday party. There were over 60 kids there from 12 to 17. Nine kids were shot when a feud broke out between 2 different groups. Nine kids were shot. Police arrived. Nobody saw anything. No witneses.
 

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"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain
Larry,
Without emotion or calling folks racists, where’s the “lie”?I just showed you FBI shooting statistics. Heather MacDonald simply compiled them into a simple math formula to come up with a percentage. It’s just math.
Even Bloomberg, hardly a bastion of gun & cop defenders gave her credit that she was right.
 
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