Why isn't anyone talking about the Deutz Fahr 5080d?

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I was about to order a Yanmar TY359C ($52K) and stopped by my local tractor store and saw this 5080d. It was about $5000 more but it is a 75Hp tractor vs. a 59hp in the Yanmar and comes with a lot of higher-end features. I could really use the larger tractor but I can't really find my chatter about it. Seems like a very legit unit and a lot more tractor for this price range (2022 DEUTZ FAHR 5080D for $55K). I am in Idaho, have 82 acres of hills, granite and a lot of trees. I will be doing a ton of roadwork, including cutting some new ones, a lot of cutting/carrying trees and snowplow/snowblower on some fairly steep roads in the winter, we get about 4 to 5 feet per year.

I appreciate any thoughts, this is a huge decision and I just want to get it right.

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Nice looking tractors and I've seen a few around, I don't have a clue about parts and service availability.

I've seen a lot more Fendt's lately. Nice looking machines, I've seen them advertised with 3 year no down time guarantee warranties
 
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I'm only aware of them (Deutz) re entering the US market very recently (2 years?). They're good tractor's and have been at it for a long time. I don't think you'll regret having a heavier tractor with more HP. That said, Yanmar makes fine tractors and compact construction equipment as well and also has pulled in and out of the market over the years.
I'd have a conversation with the dealership over this matter.
An uneducated guess is it's very difficult setting up a dealer network, especially theses days with the evolution and manufacturers encouragement of the mega dealerships gobbling up the smaller dealers.
 
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Fendt is the best quality tractor built in the world. They are an AGCO brand. Bought the entire tractor company in the late 90’s. Fendt’s technology was then shared with Massey Ferguson & Challenger, also AGCO brands. I am switching mostly to their brands.
Fendt tractors are equipped with MANN and DEUTZ engines. Deutz is a very old & trusted tractor brand. I would have no hesitation buying one. It will be very high quality.
If Fendt uses Deutz engines, you can trust them. I took over farming from an old farmer who recently passed. he had a deutz tractor and loved it.
 
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Does Deutz still use air cooled diesel or have they switched to water cooled. My uncle had two air cooled models in 70’s & 80’s both very good tractors. I think one of them had oil pan heater for cold weather starts. He rarely had issue with not starting even when temp was well below zero.
 
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Yanmar great products , but for some extra if dealer near with part support etcI like the Duetz F 5080D . Closer to 80 hp. I would think they still using air cooled technology which would be good for that cooler Idaho climate . No Def on those also I believe.
 
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I see a lot of Deutz tractors in central PA. They look like a really decent machine. For 5k more, you get a lot more tractor for your money so that would weigh really heavily on me if I were making the decision. Things to consider: warranty, dealer service department capabilities and reputation, German engineering vs Asian engineering. I don't know if tractor engineering logic follows automotive engineering logic, but I love German vehicles. Have owned a lot of VW's and Audi's. But I also had to learn to work on them, buy special tools (triple square sockets, VAGCOM, etc), and tinker with the "superior" German electrical systems. I still love them for all of their idiosyncrasies, and yet, all my vehicles at the moment are Asian - Mitsubishi, Kia, and Nissan - all of them seem more robust and have required less "tinkering" than all of my German vehicles......this is cars though, I don't know what the reputation of Deutz or really even modern Yanmars (I own a 1980's 226d). With all that said, I think if it were my decision though, I'd be going for the Deutz.
 
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I'd stick with the Yanmar.
More circulating, lesser impact of whatever direction the European economy ventures to and better dealer support mechanisms. 60" of snow per year is not excessive but it depends how you remove the snow.
Plowing-weight is king and you can weigh down the Yanmar pretty well with ballast, chains, etc. enough to move the amount of snow you get
blowing-hp is king.
Either tractor will do the rest of your jobs.
Depends how quickly you wish to get them done.
 
  
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Does Deutz still use air cooled diesel or have they switched to water cooled. My uncle had two air cooled models in 70’s & 80’s both very good tractors. I think one of them had oil pan heater for cold weather starts. He rarely had issue with not starting even when temp was well below zero.
This is water-cooled, thanks!
 
  
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Fendt is the best quality tractor built in the world. They are an AGCO brand. Bought the entire tractor company in the late 90’s. Fendt’s technology was then shared with Massey Ferguson & Challenger, also AGCO brands. I am switching mostly to their brands.
Fendt tractors are equipped with MANN and DEUTZ engines. Deutz is a very old & trusted tractor brand. I would have no hesitation buying one. It will be very high quality.
If Fendt uses Deutz engines, you can trust them. I took over farming from an old farmer who recently passed. he had a deutz tractor and loved it.
I don't have a a Fendt dealer/service in my area and the $55k price point is likely below what a Fendt costs for a 75hp unit. Thanks though.
 

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Air cooling went away when the treehugger crowd got "noise" pollution regs into place.

Water cooled diesels are much quieter...

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I recently had very good service from D-F parts for my SAME Deutz-Farr Tractor.

Had to come from overseas, took about two weeks. (an axle and differential component.)
 

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Air cooling went away when the treehugger crowd got "noise" pollution regs into place.

Water cooled diesels are much quieter...

SR

I can't find any noise regulations for off road diesels. Could you post a link?

I could see manufacturers going to water cooled for emissions reasons, as water cooling gives better control of combustion chamber temperatures and that affects emissions. There's some motorcycle manufacturers (Harley being the most well known example) who went to water cooling primarily for emissions reasons.

In vehicle design there's a three way battle between power, size/weight, and noise. You can make good power and be quiet but then you need big mufflers and airboxes (and maybe water cooling or other engine changes). If muffler size is restricted and the vehicle needs to be quiet then it's going to make less power. Harley had this problem for a long time. With a tractor, keeping weight low is not an issue and space isn't much of one either. So it's possible to make good power with low noise.

One of the things I like about my tractor is that it's quiet. At least when it's not powering the PTO chipper.
 

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I have no idea if there's a link to everything in this world, but I was told by a Deutz exect. that noise was the reason, that was a LONG time ago. Pretty much all of the air-cooled diesels went away at about the same time, so...

Personally, I MUCH prefer air/oil cooled diesels over liquid cooled and I have several of them in use.

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I don't have a a Fendt dealer/service in my area and the $55k price point is likely below what a Fendt costs for a 75hp unit. Thanks though.
Not suggesting you buy a Fendt. I’m suggesting that since Fendt uses Deutz engines, that you would do well in a Deutz Fahr tractor. :)
 

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Air cooled diesel engines went away because of emissions, not noise. The only loud ones are the single and two cylinder ones, but so are the water cooled ones. Emissions "killed" yet another series of great engines. Those air cooled engines were way overbuilt and ran literally forever with basic maintenance. They were so easy to work on or even rebuild.

To the OP, that's definitely a great tractor. Congrats! That tractor has actual front brakes built in inside the final drives and most likely a front diff lock.
 

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I can't find any noise regulations for off road diesels. Could you post a link?

I could see manufacturers going to water cooled for emissions reasons, as water cooling gives better control of combustion chamber temperatures and that affects emissions. There's some motorcycle manufacturers (Harley being the most well known example) who went to water cooling primarily for emissions reasons.

In vehicle design there's a three way battle between power, size/weight, and noise. You can make good power and be quiet but then you need big mufflers and airboxes (and maybe water cooling or other engine changes). If muffler size is restricted and the vehicle needs to be quiet then it's going to make less power. Harley had this problem for a long time. With a tractor, keeping weight low is not an issue and space isn't much of one either. So it's possible to make good power with low noise.

One of the things I like about my tractor is that it's quiet. At least when it's not powering the PTO chipper.
New common rail diesel engines are quieter because of pilot injection. Pilot injection is mainly used for emissions but it also reduces diesel clatter. Diesel with the older style injection, like on my Branson are still noisy :)



 
  
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Thanks for all the great feedback, I have decided to buy the 5080d. It has a nice Stoll loader on it.

Unfortunately, after the local dealer (1.5 hours away) said they had one, after I got there they told me it never arrived and when it does it sold. All that said, I found one in Washington and just have to finalize all the attachments and financing on Monday. Not really happy with the attachments they quoted, not familiar with the brand, but at first glance the quality doesn't seem to be there. I would welcome any comments. Here they are Whole Goods

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Congratulations!
Do you ever see the attachments "pop up" for sale at auctions or Craigslist, etc.? The quoted (attachments) prices would seem to be top of the line name brands. If the forks and grapple are built similarly to the unit's pictured.... pretty wimpy backstop on the forks that look like it's built as a "step through" type for a SS with a little center section added for loaders. The grapple is a single lid and who knows how heavily built it is. Grappling is one activity that is naturally subject to abuse of both the grapple and the tractor's loader and better be built like a brick.
The $200 package discount... I wouldn't know to laugh or cry, insulted might be the proper reaction.
Sorry for the downer on the attachments, but from the link it looks like typical TSC chit, just double the price. You'll enjoy your tractor for sure!
 

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Just buy tractor & loader from dealer. The loader seems very low priced. Forks seem fairly priced. Blade & grapple look overpriced, even with the $2000 discount
 
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Congratulations!
Do you ever see the attachments "pop up" for sale at auctions or Craigslist, etc.? The quoted (attachments) prices would seem to be top of the line name brands. If the forks and grapple are built similarly to the unit's pictured.... pretty wimpy backstop on the forks that look like it's built as a "step through" type for a SS with a little center section added for loaders. The grapple is a single lid and who knows how heavily built it is. Grappling is one activity that is naturally subject to abuse of both the grapple and the tractor's loader and better be built like a brick.
The $200 package discount... I wouldn't know to laugh or cry, insulted might be the proper reaction.
Sorry for the downer on the attachments, but from the link it looks like typical TSC chit, just double the price. You'll enjoy your tractor for sure!
$200.00 package discount?? You better read that one again.

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Yeah, there just isn't much detail or info online about these, it's a bit concerning. I do have to buy the attachments with the tractor, will have the numbers from the finance guy there on Monday ($15k down/5.4x%@5 years or a 5-year lease/residual % TBD). I would love to go out and buy the attachments separately, I will be using the rear blade and grapple a lot.
 

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Yeah, there just isn't much detail or info online about these, it's a bit concerning. I do have to buy the attachments with the tractor, will have the numbers from the finance guy there on Monday ($15k down/5.4x%@5 years or a 5-year lease/residual % TBD). I would love to go out and buy the attachments separately, I will be using the rear blade and grapple a lot.
I’d be haggling on the “$2000 discount”.
Get him to kick it up to $3500 lol
 

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On your attachments for the loader with the HP and weight you are getting I'd be looking for a better quick attach then the SSQA,
the Euro Global is stouter and easier and safer to use in my opinion and using both frequently.
 

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On your attachments for the loader with the HP and weight you are getting I'd be looking for a better quick attach then the SSQA,
the Euro Global is stouter and easier and safer to use in my opinion and using both frequently.
This! This should be standard on all tractors with loaders with quick attach as an actual safety feature. I've never read or heard stories about attachments falling off or twisting the torque tube with this style of quick attach. Plus, on most loaders, it will auto latch itself.
 

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I thought I once read the Deutz tractors had fully locking front and rear differential not sure but if so I think it would be a nice feature.
 

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I believe TYM uses the Deutz engine in that 75hp size.
I have been looking for 75hp and more and more I am leaning to FarmAll 75C or NH PowerStar75, whoever gives the best price since they are the same thing with different colors.
FarmAll has a heavier capacity selfleveling loader. I haven't gotten an answer from NH if the next loader up in their line fits the PowerStar 75.
Just random searching on Tractor House shows some dealers with good discounts on these models, comparable to what the Deutz is. I think when I actually go sit down with my $$$ I could do some dealing.
 

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On your attachments for the loader with the HP and weight you are getting I'd be looking for a better quick attach then the SSQA,
the Euro Global is stouter and easier and safer to use in my opinion and using both frequently.
I also wish that the euro coupler won the popularity contest back when every SS manufacturer had there own version but it was a bigger world back then about 25 years ago. I don't even think it was in the "contest".
That said, I sure have tested the SSQA and despite the "quirks" it has sometimes connecting I've haven't had a failure using on 5-6 ton 100+HP machines. But if we could go back in times.....(y)
 

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On your attachments for the loader with the HP and weight you are getting I'd be looking for a better quick attach then the SSQA,
the Euro Global is stouter and easier and safer to use in my opinion and using both frequently.
I am just about to jump over to global style.
Never had a problem with SSQA and I am lifting 2-3 tons with it, but I like the design and the ability to attach/detach implements quickly & easily from the seat it can come with.
 

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Just buy tractor & loader from dealer. The loader seems very low priced. Forks seem fairly priced. Blade & grapple look overpriced, even with the $2000 discount

That's my take on it too. I'd go there looking with a "show me" attitiude. The implements would have to be top of the line to justify the high prices. And maybe they are.

Not that I know anything about that particular brand of tractor. It looks nice, but I don't even know where it is built. Do you? Make sure it is not a "made in China" version...
About all I know is at one time that was a proud name. Who knows today? You are taking a lot on faith, but I'd make sure at the least that it was European designed and built and that it came with ops, shop, and parts manuals in English - or include those in the purchase if you can. $100 each is typical price for those 3 manuals.

Get some spare filters and everything needed for the first service. I like to do that before 100 hrs. Then service by the book. Or see if the dealer will do that

Ask about delivery and hauling and if they have a mobile mechanic. Find out who is responsible for hauling during warranty and their loaner policy. Whatever you agree about hauling and loaners, get both those in writing right on the sales agreement.
I happen to think that it is reasonable to split the cost of initial hauling but for the dealer to pay for hauling if warranty work is needed. And a loaner provided after 30 to 45 days. That's what I hand wrote onto on my last sales agreement and both myself and dealer signed that addition.

I don't know grapples, so cannot comment other than to say make sure the SSQA works smoothly and that the tractor has the proper additional hydraulics to run the grapple. That extra front hydraulic control for the grapple is called the "third function. Yes, I like the European latching system myself, but SSQA is what you want in the USA so that you can attach rental skid steer implements.

Forks are easy to see if they are buit right. Good forks are massively heavy and obviously well built because people end up working around them. The forks themselves are solid steel & adjust for width easily...maybe even hydraulically.

Rear blades I do know about - having bought several that didn't work well until buying a Big Rhino that did & does... A good blade is worth that price and more. If you expect it to do more work than damage, then it should be 3-way adjustable for angle, tilt, and offset and maybe have a trailing wheel. I'd expect that two of the three adjustments to be hydraulic cylinder remote adjustments given the price. Certainly angle and tilt are hydraulic. Be nice if offset and trailing wheel heght is too....but not I think you are at $6000 on a quality blade. You don't use offset all that much if it is an 8 foot blade. But you do want your blade to have a pivoting offset rather than a sliding blade type.
Mine is all manual adjust....which works if you are young, but is why I wish for hydraulics...

Again, the blade for a cat I/II hitch should be obviously heavily built. A trailing wheel and end caps are nice features if it has them - if not, ask. End caps make it into a box blade on demand. Make sure the tractor has the proper quick connect hydraulic remotes to actuate the blade hydraulics whether the blade has them or not. You will appreciate hydraulics on a blade of that size. & also use the rear hydraulics for other implements. I like for a cat I/II blade to weight around 750 to 1000 lbs - maybe more.

Good Luck,
rScotty
 
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Stuff is so expensive anymore I can’t even believe it.
Went to Case-IH to price a simple drawbar.
Just a simple 57” x 2“ x 4” wide piece of high strength steel with some holes drilled in it.

$2,750!!!

Parts man said it was $795 2 years ago.
 

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Air cooling went away when the treehugger crowd got "noise" pollution regs into place.

Water cooled diesels are much quieter...

SR
I ran a Deutz 100hp air cooled 6 cylinder for a few summers haying. Loud was an understatement!

Edit. Deutz D 10006

Tractor Data D 10006 (link)

CT
 

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Stuff is so expensive anymore I can’t even believe it.
Went to Case-IH to price a simple drawbar.
Just a simple 57” x 2“ x 4” wide piece of high strength steel with some holes drilled in it.

$2,750!!!

Parts man said it was $795 2 years ago.

A part like that you can get made locally for a whole lot less money. All it takes is a steel bar and a little brake press and machining work, which is easy if you have a broken one as a template. It can take some calling around, but if it saves ~$1500 its worth my time.
 

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A part like that you can get made locally for a whole lot less money. All it takes is a steel bar and a little brake press and machining work, which is easy if you have a broken one as a template. It can take some calling around, but if it saves ~$1500 its worth my time.
Yep, thats exactly what I’m doing. (y)
 

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A part like that you can get made locally for a whole lot less money. All it takes is a steel bar and a little brake press and machining work, which is easy if you have a broken one as a template. It can take some calling around, but if it saves ~$1500 its worth my time.

If I had a broken one, that would serve as a good example of how I didn't want the next one built.

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I don't have a a Fendt dealer/service in my area and the $55k price point is likely below what a Fendt costs for a 75hp unit. Thanks though.

I've been doing some reading on the Fendt and finding information hard to come by. That's often the case when dealing with different technology, but it puts a big premium on having a really good local dealer. Especially on that dealer having a committed long term service department. The kind of service that Mercedes has for their mechanics - and other makes used to have - where mechanics start young, go to school often, and stay 30 years.
I believe that Germany has that type of educational system and workers. I don't know that the USA does, or ever will again. The older generation had the advantage that mechanics was simple enough for anyone to do their own work. Electronic controls and software adjustment are inexpensive alternatives that make dealer service important,

Anyway, Fendts seem very sophisticated, but I'd want a really committed dealer nearby.

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apologies with the dark color, it's how Fendt sets up their site & nothing I can figure out changes it.

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I've been doing some reading on the Fendt and finding information hard to come by. That's often the case when dealing with different technology, but it puts a big premium on having a really good local dealer. Especially on that dealer having a committed long term service department. The kind of service that Mercedes has for their mechanics - and other makes used to have - where mechanics start young, go to school often, and stay 30 years.
I believe that Germany has that type of educational system and workers. I don't know that the USA does, or ever will again. The older generation had the advantage that mechanics was simple enough for anyone to do their own work. Electronic controls and software adjustment are inexpensive alternatives that make dealer service important,

Anyway, Fendts seem very sophisticated, but I'd want a really committed dealer nearby.

rScotty

apologies with the dark color, it's how Fendt sets up their site & nothing I can figure out changes it.

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I think a lot of the european tractors are like this. My new Italian tractor is joystick controlled and color coded. Little weird at first but I ended up really liking it.

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We just had a Deutz Fahr dealership open in Athens. They have a dozen or so tractors on the lot so far. Have not had a chance to stop in yet.
 

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Hello Letthegoodpinesroll. You will find that the controls are colour coded. Blue =hydraulics, orange= transmission/brakes, and yellow = pto. This should help in instructing beginners.
The gearbox on your tractor is a 15 speed and sounds similar to the 24 speed further up the range. It handles like the JD Quad shift if you have driven one.
Do you have a sunroof in your cab for high level work?(stacking haysheds) if so you will be pleased to know that the shroud does not buzz, my bosses tractors are 7 and 15 years old and the cabs are inpressively quiet for their age in terms of no squeaks,rattles or buzzes. Engine noise is also low.
You say you are on hills so I would be advise you to widen the rear track for stability.
3 Pairs of scv's mean you can have a 3 way hydraulic back blade. I recommend you get a tail wheel, as it way ,way easier to operate. (I used to do house pads and footpaths years ago,with a back blade.It's bobcats these days)
Under New Zealand conditions the aircon is a bit weak. Contractors report good results using a tint on the windows to reduce cab temps.
Good luck and we would like a product review at 3 months and 12 months. What is right, and what is wrong AND WHY.
 

redman135

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To those who refered to Fendt tractors, they are a good tractor BUT are complicated and require some prior knowledge. It is a push button tractor with things hidden in multi layered menu's. Also unless you have an americanised operator manual, the european terms may not match US terms. Try finding a specific function when it is written under a strange term you never heard of. Very frustrating. But they are VERY confortable, as they are aimed at the professionals.
 

Number15

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AC 7600 TTR, Branson 5520CH, Grasshopper 928D2
We just had a Deutz Fahr dealership open in Athens. They have a dozen or so tractors on the lot so far. Have not had a chance to stop in yet.
Funny, we have one in our Athens as well (TN)
 

Hay Dude

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To those who refered to Fendt tractors, they are a good tractor BUT are complicated and require some prior knowledge. It is a push button tractor with things hidden in multi layered menu's. Also unless you have an americanised operator manual, the european terms may not match US terms. Try finding a specific function when it is written under a strange term you never heard of. Very frustrating. But they are VERY confortable, as they are aimed at the professionals.
Slowly taking over in my area. Lots of them out there. I think farmers were looking for higher comfort and ease of operation with higher road speeds. Theres an excellent AGCO dealer in my area moving them rapidly.
It seemed like JCB would make it as a large custom farming tractor and they still are gaining, but small gains. Fendt has seemed to be everything JCB is and more.
Personally, I’d like to see someone stuff an L-9 Cummins in a legacy brand, like Massey or Challenger, or a CNH and I think farmers might buy them.
 

LouNY

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Branson 8050, IH 574, Oliver 1550 Diesel Utility (traded in on Branson)
Looking at the specs it seems like a decent tractor, I wouldn't be afraid of one.
 

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