Working on tractor with loader up...do you?

[Soundguy]

I agree...

And that is with the oil exhausting to sump thru the loader valve. imagine if a fitting broke off right on the cylinder... no hose resistance.. no valve port restrictions= quicker drop.

To reiterate I still stand by the concept that regardless if you want to do something risky yourself.. you shouldn't say it is 'safe' and possibly lead others to think they can also be safe and do it.

Soundguy

Here's a quick experiment for all you guys who think working under a raised loader is an acceptable risk...

Raise your loader as high as it will go. Shut your engine down, then push the joystick forward.
Notice how fast it drops? And how quiet until the bucket hits the ground.

That's how long you have to notice it dropping and to get out of the way. Remember, that loader will probably have to fall no more then ½ way before it strikes you.

 

[mwark]

And I think you are mistaken about the 'stay in holland' comment.. it is nowhere in my message.

Not to nit-pick but actually you are mistaken. I never attributed the “Holland” comment to you. It was merely an example of some of the vitriol that a few of our member directed towards Renze of Holland. He didn’t deserve to be treated that way.

And just to be clear, as I have said several times, I have always supported my loader and will continue to do so no matter how remote the possibility of an accident is.

 

[gemini5362]

Soundguy that is one that I admit to not doing I dont remember to wear my seatbelt on the tractor. I am pretty conservative with the way I drive it but I should wear it every time I move it. I do have a question though. Since I have a cab on my tractor and could not be thrown out where something could smash me in a rollover is seatbelts necessary ?

 

[Soundguy]

Since you were replying to me.. it may have been 'more clear' to have posted that tidbit in a new post.

As far as the comment? hmm .. seems pretty tame to me.. kinda like telling someone to 'go pound sand' when you have a disagreement.. etc... besides.. I got enough unsafe people living in my city already.. I'd rather not have any more unsafe ones move in!! People try to kill me every day on the road.. makes ya wonder how they keep those DL's and if THEY wear seatbelts!

Anywho.. I got no beef with you.. I still however think R is practicing some unsafe behavior.. then compounding it by posting it as it it is safe.. While he may or may not be able to make that personal determination.. I fear there may be others that lack that uh.. good common sense and when reading those comments may think it's perfectly fine to do as R does.. I think that's the real issue being discussed here.. not what R does to himself. but what his 'advice' may do to others...

have a safe one.

Soundguy

Not to nit-pick but actually you are mistaken. I never attributed the “Holland” comment to you. It was merely an example of some of the vitriol that a few of our member directed towards Renze of Holland. He didn’t deserve to be treated that way.

And just to be clear, as I have said several times, I have always supported my loader and will continue to do so no matter how remote the possibility of an accident is.

 

[Soundguy]

I'm kinda a stickler for seatbelts... If I have pasangers.. I pretty much won't move the vehicle till the latches click.

I've always worn them.. and have been in one bad accident a dozen or so ys ago ( not my fault) where I would probably have been road pizza had I not been wearing it, and as a result.. just broke some bones in my hand and jacked my back up for a few months.. that just serves to reinforce my conviction about safety devices.. etc..

Soundguy

Soundguy that is one that I admit to not doing I dont remember to wear my seatbelt on the tractor. I am pretty conservative with the way I drive it but I should wear it every time I move it. I do have a question though. Since I have a cab on my tractor and could not be thrown out where something could smash me in a rollover is seatbelts necessary ?

 

[D7E]

At least on our manlift.. there are safety check pilots on the hyd cyl itself...


Soundguy

Most of the excavators,Telehandlers,backhoes,loaders around today have or can have checkvalves fitted , Except the older ones of course.
Most of the sites i work on will not hire a machine without them,

 

[Renze]

Not to throw more coals on the fire, but today i was at a spring machinery demo at a dealer. They zip tied angle irons to all loaders on the lot. But on the leaflet of the brand new Claas tractors with factory fitted (Mailleux) loaders, they showed a picture of a raised loader and opened hood, the text written with it was that with the loader on, the servicing of the tractor was just as easy as with no loader at all... No mention of check valves, locking mechanism or safety warnings... Not that it means anything, but in the American leaflet, they wouldnt have showed this without a load of warnings, or they simply didnt show anything like this at all.... In Europe, people have their own responsibility, where america is known for its lawyers and billion dollar claims to manufacturers....

We all, each and every one of us, take risks every day of our lives. Each of us, individually, must decide how high to place our personal "risk/benefit" bar.QUOTE]

Tom Veatch has got my point.
I didnt tell anyone to work UNsafe or said that other people shouldnt support their loader when working under it because i dont do that either...
There were just some folks telling me where to put my personal "risk/benefit" bar, as Tom described it.
It's my responsibilty, and not your business at all. Telling me what to do with a tendency of getting personal, shows a weak mind,. would rather call -that- stupid

 

[Soundguy]

Weak? the only thing weak I see is your weak argument vs doing something safely..

And yes.. I agree.. liability laws int he us DO tend to drive the ';safety label' market...

Soundguy

 

[Renze]

Weak? the only thing weak I see is your weak argument vs doing something safely..

As said, this is a matter of where to put your personal bar. So any argument is useless.

 

[mwark]

MOST of my stuff is older...

Only my 'new' stuff has rops.

Soundguy

Renze, Your correct when you say that everyone need to decide how much risk they are willing to take. I'm sure we would all agree that many more of us will be injured or killed by operating a tractor with out ROPs than working on an unsupported loader. A gold star for you for not calling people names that are without question taking much more risk than you.

May the force be with you,

mwark