Battery based vehicles of today and tomorrow pt 2

[Hay Dude]

Crazy how we have to get up and go to work every day knowing part of our time is spent making money to pay for other people to buy an EV.
Someday this is going to come to an end.

 

[FPGT72]

Crazy how we have to get up and go to work every day knowing part of our time is spent making money to pay for other people to buy an EV.
Someday this is going to come to an end.

And even more crazy is how those people that get the .gov cheeze are just fine with it. Hay they are getting theirs so they can lecture us on how horrid of people we are. They are likely vegetarian or gluten in tolerant.

 

[Hay Dude]

That is a stupid comparison. Matters not what my air conditioning costs to operate. Has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.

My EV costs 3¢/mile for fuel. If I drive 10 miles/day then it costs only 30¢/day. A bankrupting $9/month. If 100 miles/day then $90. I pay more than that for air conditioning. And would pay $300/month for gasoline at $3/gallon and 30 MPG.

Clearly you can't afford your tractors because the cost of diesel is 8 to 100 times the cost of electricity for air conditioning your home.

I guess there’s a slight difference in that while the current admin is causing great harm for farmers to pay outrageous fuel prices for our tractors to put food on your table, EV subsidies are a gov___ment mandated boondoggle benefitting only EV owners???

So I guess we’re gonna pay top dollar for food and fuel AND subsidize your EV as long as this current admin is in power.

Sign me up!!!

 

[Hay Dude]

And even more crazy is how those people that get the .gov cheeze are just fine with it. Hay they are getting theirs so they can lecture us on how horrid of people we are. They are likely vegetarian or gluten in tolerant.

People gotta go back to the lessons of the Bible.
Everyone is in it for themselves.
All these gov___ment handouts are dividing us.

 

[shooterdon]

Shooter my son did no talk me into getting an EV. In 2019 when it became clear the ICE death spiral was getting underway . I found the 2016 Leaf SL for $13,500 after I got them knock $4,500 off of what they're asking price. It had 22K miles on it with a near dead battery that triggered the battery warranty 5 weeks after purchase. Nissan put in a larger new 2020 $12,500 traction battery pack that is holding up quiet nicely. It was the $14,000 price cut from Elon that closed that deal on the Tesla. 16 months later we kind of got the $7,500 rebate or whatever they call the sucker but not directly. We just applied it toward our taxes due on our social security which will cover some of 2024 SS tax bill. We are still working so delaying sign up by 8 years was doable in our case thankfully.

The $25K Tesla is still coming . The AI version of FSD working so well and getting better every two weeks has shocked the world leading China companies asking to license FSD.

If Tesla sells one $25,000 EV they will pocket about $5,000 but is if they will put one of that same car in the robo taxi fleet for 10 years then that same car may net $300,000. So you can see why the robot taxi unit has to be developed first. Assuming that the software will be ready to get it on the road, maybe even be ready by the end of this year. But anyway look for the 8/8/2024 show and tell for robo taxis.
From my personal experience with FSD for the past 14 months I think we're getting close but been thinking that ever since 2016.

Robo taxis stands to gut new ICE sales because the fare should be less than the expense to operate ones on ICE car, which means they will last longer and can be used for longer trips and just use the robot taxi for more and more of the daily trips. Is it is expected the larger cities will be the first place for the cab service to operate and then over time filter out into the smaller cities. There are over 10,000 Uber drivers in just the USA so that is an indication that this may work out well for Tesla and the public at large.

Gale, I am not talented enough to do the search to find where you stated your son convinced you to buy an EV…but I do not believe I dreamed up that factoid.

The robotaxi will not have much impact on car ownership. The cost of the driver is not a significant part of the cost of a car ride. It is marketing hype to fool investors. Look at your own number…10k Uber drivers. It will require a 100 fold increase to get to 1 million. If a robotaxi lasts 3 years, that is 350k units a year for Tesla. Not a game changer.

The robotaxi may have more impact in large cities and in Europe. It will be a ripple in North America.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Gale, I am not talented enough to do the search to find where you stated your son convinced you to buy an EV…but I do not believe I dreamed up that factoid.

The robotaxi will not have much impact on car ownership. The cost of the driver is not a significant part of the cost of a car ride. It is marketing hype to fool investors. Look at your own number…10k Uber drivers. It will require a 100 fold increase to get to 1 million. If a robotaxi lasts 3 years, that is 350k units a year for Tesla. Not a game changer.

The robotaxi may have more impact in large cities and in Europe. It will be a ripple in North America.

I believe the story goes, his son talked him into buying the Tesla. I've read it at least 30 times.

(Not the Nissan Leaf)

 

[NoTrespassing]

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$25,980

39,722 miles

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[CloverKnollFarms]

Gale, I am not talented enough to do the search to find where you stated your son convinced you to buy an EV…but I do not believe I dreamed up that factoid.

The robotaxi will not have much impact on car ownership. The cost of the driver is not a significant part of the cost of a car ride. It is marketing hype to fool investors. Look at your own number…10k Uber drivers. It will require a 100 fold increase to get to 1 million. If a robotaxi lasts 3 years, that is 350k units a year for Tesla. Not a game changer.

The robotaxi may have more impact in large cities and in Europe. It will be a ripple in North America.

He has stated that numerous times his son convinced him

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Used 2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range​

$25,980

39,722 miles

More from the seller
Stock#: 7112|VIN: 5YJ3E1EB8MF902112
WARRANTY
A Full-Factory Warranty is included with this vehicle. Contact seller for more information.

LOW MILES!
Get the best value from your vehicle purchase. This 2021 has a low 39722 miles!

KEY FEATURES AND OPTIONS
Comes equipped with: Black, Premium Seat Trim, Full Self-Driving Capability, Pearl White Multi-Coat.

This Tesla Model 3 also includes Air Conditioning, Clock, Climate Control, Multi-Zone Climate Control, Tilt Steering Wheel, Power Steering, Telescoping Steering Wheel, Power Windows, Steering Radio Controls, Power Locks, Wood Trim, Power Mirrors, Moonroof, Driver Airbag, ABS Brakes, Fog Lights, Passenger Airbag, Intermittent Wipers, Side Airbags, Keyless Entry, Rear Defogger, Security System, AM/FM, Subwoofer, Sliding Rear Window, Bluetooth, Navigation System, Center Arm Rest, Remote Trunk Lid, Vanity Mirrors, Center Console, Heated Mirrors, Child Proof Door Locks, Daytime Running Lights, Parking Sensors, Rear Heated Seats , Reverse Camera, Side Curtain Airbags, Roll Stability Control, Tire Pressure Monitor, Carpeted Floor Mats, Aux. Audio Input, Front Heated Seats, HD Radio, Onboard Hard Drive, Voice Control. Struct Structural damage base on visual inspection l damage
Dealer Disclosure: Price excludes taxes, license and title fees, and a documentary service fee. WE SHIP VEHICLES NATIONWIDE, please contact us directly for more details based on your specific needs.

I'd consider that as a third car!

 

[ultrarunner]

Maybe his son convinced him to jump on the lower price?