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    Platinum Member Samandothers's Avatar
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    I am working to clear some land. Some of the land was meadows 20 to 30 years ago. Currently I have been cutting trees and/or digging out with loader and backhoe. I then use the front end loader to push or pick up what I can to move the brush. I have also been using the bucket to slide rocks around until I can flip them in or get the bucket under them. I have a kubota L4240 with LA854 loader and Quick Attach bucket. I will need to add the front remote for grapple control.

    I have been thinking of getting a grapple, but there appears to be several different types. Root rake grapple, open bottom grapple, bucket grapples, fork grapples, single or dual control grapple just to name a few variations I have seen. So what is the best choice for what I describe?

    My thoughts have been the Root rake grapple or open bottom grapple as they appear they could 'approach' load better to grab with the grapple and also allow you to see the load.

    I have not priced these yet so I thought I would determine what may be best then go to pricing. I can always ask Santa!

    Thanks for your help!
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    I put a grapple on the top of my bucket FEL and just leave it there. Remember if you get something specialized like you are contemplating that you will have to take the time to attach and detach every time you want to do a different task. For me, that's a ride back to the barn. I am able to lift anything I want with my bucket/grapple combo; I just lower the bucket straight down with the grapple open wide, close the grapple, then roll the bucket back over while lowering the FEL at the same time. It's like a big T-Rex just bent down to swallow a meal and rolls back up to gulp it down. I've tried to scoop up the rock and close the grapple, but it doesn't work nearly as well, especially on the large rocks.

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    Samandothers,

    Understand what you are faced with. I'm up the road an hour from you (Forest City) doing much the same. Although I have not used a bucket add-on grapple, I can say I absolutely love my WR Long root rake grapple. I knew when I was shoping for the tractor I would be moving mountains of brush, ivy, black berry, stumps... so I went ahead and had the WR Long financed in with the tractor, loader, cutter, and box blade. While it does take time to change from bucket to grapple, especially since I do not have Quick Attach, I never cease to be amazed at how much junk I can pick up by coming down on a pile of brush and crunching it down a couple of times. Having the right tool for the job is a pleasure.

    If I weren't currently in Iraq, I'd invite you up to play in some brush piles. If you are still in the looking/investigating stage in January, send me a PM and I'd be happy to let you get some first-hand experience.

    Good luck and happy hunting,
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    Samandothers...I too have been looking at root grapples for my L3940. I have the QA so the time to switch from grapple to bucket is minimal.
    Markham Welding (oops, should I not mention their name ) have built a great root grapple for sub-compact tractors like ours. They do mostly skid steer attachments but have developed a nice grapple for tractors. Visit their website Markham Welding - Home and then call to speak with Melissa. Their prices are incredible, about $850-$950 delivered, and she can make it a custom fit for you.
    WR Long also makes a great grapple: RBG. That's the brand my dealer carries and recommends. It's a bit more expensive, I think about $1,200-$1,500, but if I have a problem the dealer will cover me. Anyway, add to that about $1,200 if you put the kubota brand valve on your tractor and you can see they are not cheap. I haven't decided which way to go yet but will make that decision in the spring when I start clearing about 6 acres for our Christmas tree farm .
    Hope this helps.
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    Default Re: Grappling for answers on Grapples

    Quote Originally Posted by Samandothers View Post
    I am working to clear some land. Some of the land was meadows 20 to 30 years ago. Currently I have been cutting trees and/or digging out with loader and backhoe. I then use the front end loader to push or pick up what I can to move the brush. I have also been using the bucket to slide rocks around until I can flip them in or get the bucket under them. I have a kubota L4240 with LA854 loader and Quick Attach bucket. I will need to add the front remote for grapple control.

    I have been thinking of getting a grapple, but there appears to be several different types. Root rake grapple, open bottom grapple, bucket grapples, fork grapples, single or dual control grapple just to name a few variations I have seen. So what is the best choice for what I describe?

    My thoughts have been the Root rake grapple or open bottom grapple as they appear they could 'approach' load better to grab with the grapple and also allow you to see the load.

    I have not priced these yet so I thought I would determine what may be best then go to pricing. I can always ask Santa!

    Thanks for your help!
    Samandothers,

    Do you have a rear remote. If so your in business. I purchased an add on grapple from Andy Tatro. www.tatrosite.com . Rob (3RRL) has two mounted on his loader bucket. I mounted the Tatro grapple (about $400.00 shipped to my door) on my bucket and ran long hoses ($275.00) to the rear remote on my Kubota M4800 (48 hp).

    I went with the 5000 psi hoses with quick connects at the rear and also put quick connects at the front so I could take the grapple off the bucket. It literally takes 2 minutes to take the grapple on and off.

    I also purchased an extra mount from Andy and welded it to the top of my pallet forks. Now when moving long items, like power poles, I can clamp down and keep the item from sliding off the forks.

    Sure I would love to have a dedicated grapple, but for the price difference the add-on-grapple has more than met my needs.

    At the same time that I ordered my grapple from Andy my neighbor Jim also ordered one. He has used his a lot more than me and is very pleased with it. He has his mounted on an L5030 Kubota with cab.

    Here's a link to the post where I documented my installation: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/a...tallation.html
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    I have the WR Long, OBG2-54" grapple for my MX5000. This is a nice sized unit and I do not believe that my tractor/FEL could ever inflict and damage to it. Markham was not making their new version of grapples at the time I bought mine from WRLong. I have not seen a Markham in person but for the price difference I would recomed a close look...
    I see that there are quite a few add-on type of grapples being used by members of this forum. for what I use mine for they would not do the job.
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    Sam, Others, I'd check out Unlimited Fabrication at Rootgrapple.com they have a new model with a wide grapple for compacts, and they haven't started any fights yet here on TBN. They're in Denton.

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    Also check out Markham Welding. They have by far the best deal right now on open bottom (traditional) grapples. I think you can still get a 48" version shipped for less than a grand. It is a steal at that price. 48" is good up to about a 50hp CUT for general utility work too so no real reason to get a bigger, heavier more expensive one. I use a similar 48" grapple on my 40hp machine with a loader that is at least as strong as the LA854 and have only good things to say about the performance.

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    Great input thanks to all! Lots of different possibilities which is good! Now I need to read through these and visit some sites.

    Skipro and Firefighter I had thought about add on but wondered about the strength or torque on the bucket. I think it was Pitt Md may have add similar concerns with some of his loads. Have you noticed any issues with bucket flexing or concern with strength. I also was wondering about your ability to pick up logs/poles or get close enought to brush to pick up since the bucket sides might be in way. Any issues there.

    Firefighter I do not have any rear remotes so there will be new plumbing involved.

    Maps, thanks for your service in Iraq, safe return! Did you look at other designs besides the root rake design? It was one of the two types I think I might like. The other was the design like Pitt Md has which appears to have the open bottom type design.

    Pitt Md why did you select the open bottom design vs the root rake design?

    Happyman I think you may have mentioned you were looking at the Long Root rake. Why that design over the open bottom design? Trying to get some feel for what one may have as advantage over the other.

    Jake 98 I will check out the Denton connection. That is not far from where my son is in school. I could save shipping!

    Island tractor I thank you for the size input. I was not sure what was the proper size for my 42 Hp tractor. I had seen someone post in another thread the smaller width versus one near as wide as a bucket (72") allows more presure on the roots for digging.


    Keep the input coming I do appreciate it.

    By the way I had not idea about cost of the item so I called a dealer listed on WR Longs site for a ball park intial price. It was about $700 for the hydraulics needed to prep the tractor and then for the 72" root rake with two top gapples was $2700 and the open bottom design in 72" was $2000. A bit more than I was wanting to spend even though it could be the wifes Christmas gift!

    With these other sites to visit
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    I reinforced my bucket with an angle iron bar when I mounted my grapple. I've picked up rocks off a ledge that weighed much more than my lift could elevate, and tweaked the top of my bucket just slightly. Pushed it into a telephone pole and it's back straight again.

    to pick up brush, I lift the bucket high, tip it straight down, open the grapple and smash the brush stack to the ground. Then I close the grapple and roll the bucket back up. Works great.

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