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    Here goes!! I'm getting started. Here are some pictures. I wanted to start the mounting platform for the pivot and control valves, etc, but since I don't have the right material yet, I'm having a go at the boom. I'm using a reciprocating saw to make the cuts and all went well for a little while - till the blade jammed in the work and broke. Kind of brings it all to a halt!

    The photos:
    1): First cut - free hand. 2): Closing the gap. 3): Yeah, I blew a hole in it. 1/8th" material and the welder operator is as rusty as the material, or worse! 4): I'll grind that down and try another layer over that. I'm not too concerned about the strength of the weld; there's heavy plate going on each side of that for the boom and dipper cylinders to mount onto. 5): The reciprocating saw before the blade busted.

    What do you gentlemen think. Am I going to get the needed strength and rigidity from 3" x1/8th" tubing for the boom and dipper? I have lots of it and can go double if it is necessary. If bracing it will suffice, I can do that, too. I will lean heavily on the advice of builders with more knowledge and experience than I. If you tell me I am crazy, I will believe you and heed your advice (short of abandoning the project). If you tell me I am brilliant, I'll laugh just as hard at that as you will.
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    Default Re: It's time; either get started or....

    Are you making a backhoe?
    Excuse me if I have mis understood but I have very serious doubts on the stregnth of the 3" - 1/8" wall tube for the boom. Don't know how big you are making it, but 1/8" wall is not much more than a tail pipe. The round of the pipe will also make the attachment of the cyl. mount/plate difficult as you will only have one point of contact for welding. You say that you have a bunch of it, maybe you could horsetrade for a pc of sq/rectangle tube with at least a 1/4" wall. (4x4-4x6) Good luck.
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    I think he's making a rust bucket
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    Default Re: It's time; either get started or....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rustyiron View Post
    Are you making a backhoe?
    Excuse me if I have mis understood but I have very serious doubts on the stregnth of the 3" - 1/8" wall tube for the boom. Don't know how big you are making it, but 1/8" wall is not much more than a tail pipe. The round of the pipe will also make the attachment of the cyl. mount/plate difficult as you will only have one point of contact for welding. You say that you have a bunch of it, maybe you could horsetrade for a pc of sq/rectangle tube with at least a 1/4" wall. (4x4-4x6) Good luck.
    Sorry, I should provide some more detail. Yes, I'm building a backhoe. It will be a small one, going on the back of a Craftsman GT 18. And yes, the pipe is little more than tail pipe - maybe something like driveshaft stock. The reasons I am even considering using it are: 1): I really have a lot of it, 2): I can double it if needed and that will give me more weld points, 3): I have 3" channel to use on the ends, etc.

    I have had my own misgivings about how this tubing will work. That is why I have opened up the thread with the request for advice. I am looking forward to the same wise counsel I have seen others giving and receiving. Thank you in advance!
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    I'd use at least 3/16" wall tubing; but 1/4" would be better.
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    Nothing wrong with using rusty metal. I always find uses for old metal.

    Heck part of my new backhoe is made from a piece of metal off an exercise machine that I salvaged out of the dumpster.

    I said I'd use it one day and I did.

    Looking forward to seeing your backhoe in action. Hopefully mine will be in action soon.

    I can't wait to start digging with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad22 View Post
    Looking forward to seeing your backhoe in action. Hopefully mine will be in action soon.

    I can't wait to start digging with it.

    Chad
    Ditto, Chad! There are so many places on my yard where a trench, even a temporary one would help drain the mosquito factories. With all the rain we have been getting, we can hear "frog songs" from every corner of the yard. Our pond has been running over all Spring, so I can't pump or drain anything into that.

    What is holding me up the most is that the farmer who thought he could sell me his obsolete marker system for it's scrap value has had second thoughts. Can't say I blame him. That attachment cost him $5500 new. Now, with GPS in their tractors, nobody uses them anymore. I'd give him a few hundred for it but he'll probably let it rust waiting for someone to give him a thousand or so. Not gonna happen!! I needed that steel for my mounting platform for the pivot, hydraulic controls and outriggers. I see you're going with manually deployed outriggers. I will likely do the same, except I plan to have cylinders there some time so I'll build them with the mounting settup ready and just use sliders of some sort and pins to hold them in place, either in folded or deployed position. So, now it's on to plan B for the steel, I guess.
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    Default Re: It's time; either get started or....

    Pursuing plan B today! Scored some steel that should be stronger than I need. For the boom it is 5"x3"x1/4" and for the dipper 3" square by 1/4". For the platform for the pivot i got some 2" square tubing 1/4" wall. If I can sneak into the shop before the mosquitoes notice me I might get started on the platform. What is most likely to happen, however, is I'll get dragged off to help the wife get the garden in! Our weather has been so foul this Spring!! We are almost four weeks late getting into the garden because of wet conditions; try going in too soon - risk sinking in to your axles. I was finally able to get into the garden with the cultivator to open up the soil so it could breath and dry out a little. I had to do that twice before I could use the rototiller. Now if the rains just stay away for a couple more days.....

    Iplayfarmer, I plan to use a page out of your playbook when I do the bucket. Where I picked up the steel today, I saw some round stuff 1/8" or 3/16" by 14" to 16". I was not close enough to measure it but the guy who owns the yard said I'm welcome to as much of it as I want. I can hardly believe how accommodating this guy is. His idea of short pieces of scrap steel seems to be anything up to ten feet long! I plan to treat him with the utmost respect and try not to be a pest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NormL View Post
    ...Iplayfarmer, I plan to use a page out of your playbook when I do the bucket. Where I picked up the steel today, I saw some round stuff 1/8" or 3/16" by 14" to 16". I was not close enough to measure it but the guy who owns the yard said I'm welcome to as much of it as I want. I can hardly believe how accommodating this guy is. His idea of short pieces of scrap steel seems to be anything up to ten feet long! I plan to treat him with the utmost respect and try not to be a pest.
    I'm flattered. I just wish I could have gotten a little further on my plan for you so that I could give you feedback whether my plan works or not.

    Did I tell you that with one circle I plan to make two buckets? I cut the circle in thirds to get the arc I needed. I'm planning a narrow bucket made from one of the thirds. I'm planning to then weld the other two thirds together side by side to make a bucket twice as wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iplayfarmer View Post
    I'm flattered. I just wish I could have gotten a little further on my plan for you so that I could give you feedback whether my plan works or not.

    Did I tell you that with one circle I plan to make two buckets? I cut the circle in thirds to get the arc I needed. I'm planning a narrow bucket made from one of the thirds. I'm planning to then weld the other two thirds together side by side to make a bucket twice as wide.
    Yes, I read that post and made sure I made note of it on "the sticky side of my brain" as Woodrow Kroll would say! As I recall, the weight of your bucket is such that you would not want to drop it on something with nerve-endings, such as a toe. I too, will build one to start with. I think someone on your thread recommended going wider rather than narrower to deal more effectively with mud sticking in the bucket. I will heed that advice and go with 10" minimum, probably more..
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