Describe the Ultimate BX
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ChuckinNH
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Tom, that is an interesting question. I think we need to consider what might be coming in the B7xxx replacements too, since we want to keep that separate market niche that the BX enjoys.
So, what to do? Well, let's make it just a bit wider, say 46"-47" since we want to keep it under the width of implements that work so well with it. Let's increase the tire diameter a couple of inches too, partly to give more clearance, partly to improve the ride, and partly to separate the looks of it more from the larger garden tractors. Keeping that "tough guy" image is important, and functional. I think the backhoe is pretty good for a tractor that size, but with a slightly more stable platform, perhaps the operating pressure could be upped a bit, and perhaps a 14" bucket to better release clay. I'd like to see the swing angle increased beyond the current 140 degrees too. The limited swing makes tractor placement more critical than it should. The pumps for the loader, and bh hydraulics could be improved to give smoother response at lower rpm. The Massey 2310 is very good in that respect, and something similar would be nice. The loader is pretty good for a tractor that size, but a factory qd would be nice in a premium model, and a set of short, lightweight forks to go with it would be a very cool addition. Grapples might be asking for a bit much, but are possible too. I've seen loader mounted qd snow blades mounted on JD 2305's so that is a possibility too. I think the gage cluster was a poor place for Kubota to save a little money on the BX24........ it's way too visable a thing, and certainly a first impression turn off for some. The competition has real tachs, and we should expect the same...... for example. The basic machine is pretty bullet proof as it is..... factory skid plates aside. Does the ROPS really have to be quite so tall, and wide? I was surprised how much room I had (6'2", 220 lbs) on the JD version that is much smaller....... though it doesn't fold, and should. The new seats are a huge improvement, and the operator's station in general is quite good now I think....... the only thing I might move would be the tph lever. It's a little low now if you are looking over your shoulder running a box blade, or something that needs tweaking off, and on.
Well, we could go on here, but those are some thoughts that come to mind.....
Chuck
So, what to do? Well, let's make it just a bit wider, say 46"-47" since we want to keep it under the width of implements that work so well with it. Let's increase the tire diameter a couple of inches too, partly to give more clearance, partly to improve the ride, and partly to separate the looks of it more from the larger garden tractors. Keeping that "tough guy" image is important, and functional. I think the backhoe is pretty good for a tractor that size, but with a slightly more stable platform, perhaps the operating pressure could be upped a bit, and perhaps a 14" bucket to better release clay. I'd like to see the swing angle increased beyond the current 140 degrees too. The limited swing makes tractor placement more critical than it should. The pumps for the loader, and bh hydraulics could be improved to give smoother response at lower rpm. The Massey 2310 is very good in that respect, and something similar would be nice. The loader is pretty good for a tractor that size, but a factory qd would be nice in a premium model, and a set of short, lightweight forks to go with it would be a very cool addition. Grapples might be asking for a bit much, but are possible too. I've seen loader mounted qd snow blades mounted on JD 2305's so that is a possibility too. I think the gage cluster was a poor place for Kubota to save a little money on the BX24........ it's way too visable a thing, and certainly a first impression turn off for some. The competition has real tachs, and we should expect the same...... for example. The basic machine is pretty bullet proof as it is..... factory skid plates aside. Does the ROPS really have to be quite so tall, and wide? I was surprised how much room I had (6'2", 220 lbs) on the JD version that is much smaller....... though it doesn't fold, and should. The new seats are a huge improvement, and the operator's station in general is quite good now I think....... the only thing I might move would be the tph lever. It's a little low now if you are looking over your shoulder running a box blade, or something that needs tweaking off, and on.
Well, we could go on here, but those are some thoughts that come to mind.....
Chuck
The Gardener
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> Increased ground clearance
> Larger hydraulic pump
> Integral canopy like the one that comes standard with the B26
Beyond those changes, I think you move up to the B-series to obtain more features and greater power capabilities.
The Gardener
> Larger hydraulic pump
> Integral canopy like the one that comes standard with the B26
Beyond those changes, I think you move up to the B-series to obtain more features and greater power capabilities.
The Gardener
Volfandt
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1) 2 hydraulic pumps, 1 to decrease the GPM for steering and another to increase the GPM for the 3PH, FEL & BH. The idea is to increase all capacities without effecting the steering system.
2) do away with the HST cooling fan and go to a separate radiator for the hydraulics. -or- a factory skidplate to cover all vitals.
3) relocate the hydro filter up and away from it's present location. (see part 2 of item #2)
4) Analog tach w/an integrated hr meter.
5) shorter ROPS for the TLB's and have them fold a full 180 degrees.
6) tilt steering w/a deep dish steering wheel
7) Toolbox
2) do away with the HST cooling fan and go to a separate radiator for the hydraulics. -or- a factory skidplate to cover all vitals.
3) relocate the hydro filter up and away from it's present location. (see part 2 of item #2)
4) Analog tach w/an integrated hr meter.
5) shorter ROPS for the TLB's and have them fold a full 180 degrees.
6) tilt steering w/a deep dish steering wheel
7) Toolbox
-Faster more powerful bh
-analog tach
-less vunerable belly relocate and/or redesign systems so they aren't so.
-make parking brake with audable warning or so strong it must be disengaged to move about.
I'm leary of making overall machine larger or wider because of storage issues and overall mission creep, ie loss of compactness.
-analog tach
-less vunerable belly relocate and/or redesign systems so they aren't so.
-make parking brake with audable warning or so strong it must be disengaged to move about.
I'm leary of making overall machine larger or wider because of storage issues and overall mission creep, ie loss of compactness.
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Obivously you can't get ridiculous, so here are a few relatively simple things I'd love to see.
- I'd like a transmission temp guage and to see the guages relocated to near the cupholder or somewhere in that area so that I can monitor them regardless of which direction I'm facing. (May be odd to put the guages not in the dash, but I figure moving them is cheaper than figuring some other way of monitoring them while facing backwards.)
- I agree about the bigger wheels and tires. My one 20HP Wheel Horse has 15" wheels and looks more rugged than my BX.
- A horn
- ROPS height reduction to fit under a 7' garage door.
- Accessory key position
- Guage cluster on the BX24 is pathetic and should be replaced with a true cluster of analog guages (in the dash or elsewhere)
- A factory thumb option
MessickFarmEqu
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Adding features costs money, are you all going to pay $$$ for this mystical tractor too? Capacity should be reserved for the B-Series.
Frankly, I think the 26hp BX is stupid. There is no need for that kinda power in a subcompact. Its all because of the HP race between companies and the customers focus on that rather meaningless number.
Frankly, I think the 26hp BX is stupid. There is no need for that kinda power in a subcompact. Its all because of the HP race between companies and the customers focus on that rather meaningless number.
ChuckinNH
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Adding features does cost money, but several of the features mentioned are included in the models that competitors are fielding. Tire size aside ( I understand there would be mower interferrence issues) all of the items mentioned are available in the competition. MF has 6 1/2 digging depth, and gages, JD has gages, smaller ROPS, and the width, etc. Most of the competition can even include dual loader cylinders.... :d
Since this is all hypothetical, I hope everyone is taking my comments in the light manner they are intended. Lean manufacturing is driven by the needs, and desires of consumers, so companies need to know what we like. If an item you want isn't available, and is important to you, it never hurts to let the manufacturer know that it is influencing your purchase decision. ( I worked for a manufacturing company for many years, and was deeply involved in all new product introductions, and upgrades. The last two years I was involved in the transition to "Lean" manufacturing)
Since this is all hypothetical, I hope everyone is taking my comments in the light manner they are intended. Lean manufacturing is driven by the needs, and desires of consumers, so companies need to know what we like. If an item you want isn't available, and is important to you, it never hurts to let the manufacturer know that it is influencing your purchase decision. ( I worked for a manufacturing company for many years, and was deeply involved in all new product introductions, and upgrades. The last two years I was involved in the transition to "Lean" manufacturing)
KeithInSpace
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The BX series of tractor is a certain size and that is the best feature (or worst feature, depending on your perspective). To make the tractor larger would defy the intended purpose. The only reason a larger engine would be beneficial is to increase pump VOLUME, not pump pressure. Capacity is at a maximum for the size of machine we're talking about. But I'd like to swing the BH bucket at the same time I'm raising the boom, for example. I'd like to work the existing engine a little harder before we add more money for a larger engine, though. The thing doesn't even break a sweat!
As far as replacement of the fan with a radiator, accessory key position, gauge cluster improvements, transmission temp gauge, etc., I don't see why all these improvements can't be incorporated into an updated BX with a price increase of, say, $500 or $800. For that matter, why were they not incorporated into the latest iteration?
As for larger tires and more ground clearance, that would be desireable, but it would defy, again, the intended "sub-compact" niche that is being filled here. Bigger is sometimes just bigger. Bigger is B.
As for armoring, Bro-tek should start selling his units to the factory. They should be mandatory on every tractor.
And I never understood why the BX22/23/24 ROPS is so freakin' huge. the ROPS on my machine is fine. I'd understand that the 'big and tall' set would like it 6" taller and an inch or two wider, but it really is perfect. Wouldn't mind the flexibility of folding it...even the small one. And it folding 180 degrees would be a positive to get it out of the way when you need to.
As far as replacement of the fan with a radiator, accessory key position, gauge cluster improvements, transmission temp gauge, etc., I don't see why all these improvements can't be incorporated into an updated BX with a price increase of, say, $500 or $800. For that matter, why were they not incorporated into the latest iteration?
As for larger tires and more ground clearance, that would be desireable, but it would defy, again, the intended "sub-compact" niche that is being filled here. Bigger is sometimes just bigger. Bigger is B.
As for armoring, Bro-tek should start selling his units to the factory. They should be mandatory on every tractor.
And I never understood why the BX22/23/24 ROPS is so freakin' huge. the ROPS on my machine is fine. I'd understand that the 'big and tall' set would like it 6" taller and an inch or two wider, but it really is perfect. Wouldn't mind the flexibility of folding it...even the small one. And it folding 180 degrees would be a positive to get it out of the way when you need to.
DiezNutz
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In that case, you really want a mini-ex. Fwiw, you're not going to get the functionality you dream of without multiple (variable-displacement) pumps and more than one hydraulic loop. That's major rework of the existing machine and $$$. Just increasing the flow rate isn't going to do anything but make what you have now move faster.KeithInSpace said: