Kubota got the Gold mine, I got the Shaft!!!

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Alden Plowen

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Remember, Jerry Reed singing this song in 1982? Well, I think I'm getting the shaft from "King Kubota" and I probably won't even get a kiss to go with it. What is your opinion?

Maybe I'm getting crotchety in my old age, which I'll keep a secret, but here's a hint. When I left the military, Uncle Sam paid my school tuition under the G. I. Bill---The Korean G. I. Bill.

In 1981 I bought a new Ford 1700. Absolute minimum problems in 29 years, but no power steering. My wife and I both drove it, but now we need something a little less taxing on our old muscles and bones. We went to the Ford New Holland dealer, but he went out of business two months ago. We looked at a Kioti, but the dealer's showroom was a converted chicken house in his back yard. No go there.

There was both a John Deere and a Kubota dealer in our area . Both had good reputations and had been in business a long. time. We checked out both and there wasn't a lot of price difference. We chose a L3400 HST 2010 as it seemed to fit us better. Now, the fun begins. While at the dealer I go over to the parts department and buy a new grease gun. Can't use an old grease gun on my shiny new Kubota, can I?

Well, I go home and am happy as a clam awaiting my new toy. I had traded in the Ford 1700. The tractor was delivered and I noticed the engine was real loud. It sounded like a herd of woodpeckers under the hood. The delivery guy, said not worrry, it would quiet down once it was "broken In". OK, what do I know?

I put 10 easy hours on it and per the manual, it's time to grease the loader. I used my new gease gun for several fittings and then the last two on the loaders arms broke off. The zerk fittings are inset so I couldn't get at them.
In 60 years of geasing zerks, I never had one break off. I called the dealer and two weeks later, a tech showed up. This tech was very sharp and seemed to know exactly what he was doing. I noticed he replaced the broken zerks with ones of a different color. When asked why, he replied that he had replaced hundreds of original fittings and in his words were cheap crap.

Next the range selector lever was so difficult to move, it took several minutes to select a gear. No grinding noise. It just wouldn't move. After moving the tractor a bit forward and back it would move. Also the four wheel drive lever did the same thing. A real pain to fool around with. My wife couldn't move it at all. The tech said the whole thing was out of adjustment.

Next I had hitched up a 3PH rear mounted snow blower and it seemed to make a knocking sound when engaged. I asked the tech to listen. He said he could hear the noise, but it was coming from the transmission. He listened some more, called the shop and told the foreman to order a complete new transmission. That was three weeks ago. Still waiting for the transmission.

Next, I asked the tech about the jerkiness of the lifter arms. When raising an implement slowly, it jumps like a Mexican jumping bean. The tech was very honest. Basically, he said that once agiain the valve used by Kubota was cheap crap . He said some were okay, some were replaced with the same valve which sometimes made it worse. They might be able be able to improve it, but probably I would have to live with it. (Some L3400s don't seem to have any problem).

I called the owner, I'll call him Joe, not his real name, and he said not to worry and my tractor would be fixed just like new. I told him that I bought a new tractor, not one that was "just like new". Anyway, I said that some folks on TBN had trouble with 3400 jerkiness and he replied that those internet folks were also full of crap. He should not have said that. But we aren't done yet.

He said the jerkiness would be fixed and gone and to come to the shop and he would show me that it was fixed. I told him that I knew that he would do his best, but I didn't believe he could do it. In fact, you still have my Ford 1700 on the lot. When you have the 3400 fixed, we'll put a rotary cutter on each machine, back 'em up to each other, put a four ounce glass of Johnny Walker on each, raise them up slowly and we'll see who spills the first drop.

My grandson will film the demonstration with both of us by the machines and put it on Youtube. If your 3400 is as smooth as a 29 year old Ford, I will sing your praises and you can explain how you took the jerkiness out of a 3400. If it is still jerky, I will know that you did the best you could, and you can send the film to Kubota, not that they would have the slightest interest. Fair enough? He's basically a good dealer and it is not in my nature to bad mouth anyone. I found that I can usually get further with sweet talk and honey, occassionally a little moral zinger tossed in. He took the bait. It should be fun!

I realize that many of you folks have Kubotas and are very happy with them. I think I just got a bad one. My wife say to get rid of the thing and I know just how to do it--legally and we'll all be happy. Thats for another post.

One other thing. I'm going to need another tractor. I never got my kiss from Kubota, they had their chance, so they are gone forever. I realize that I might have been stuck with a bad John Deere as well. I might even consider a used John Deere with low hours. Is there a "sweet spot" Deere that is bullet proof? May one up to 40hp.

Thanks for everything and y'all take good care of each other.

Alden
 
   / Kubota got the Gold mine, I got the Shaft!!! #2  
Oh boy, now you've done it. Badmouthing a Kubota here is almost as bad as badmouthing a Barnes bullet over on the 24 HR Campfire forum.
 
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Sorry about your experience.

Can we clarify a few things? The transmission. The transmission here referred to, is it the tractor or the transmission in the snowblower?

As far as the range shifter and 4x4 shifter, these take some getting used to. It is a bit like Zen to find the places where they shift on an HST. Gently rocking the HST pedal and steering wheel helps a lot. Dead stop, of course.

Also, does your manual recommend you use a clutch when changing 4x4 or speed range? I don't know on your series, but on mine, it is stated in the manual to do so. Perhaps, it doesn't apply.

As far as the zerks are concerned, yes, there is a quality difference in them. But I have to admit, I haven't snapped any off of my tractor, but have on various implements. Replace with a quality zerk and done.
 
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I have a L5030 HSTC. I'll let you know how I avoid some of the concerns you mention.

Engine noise... it's a diesel...it's not as quiet as a gasoline engine. Only a decibel meter would tell if yours is more noisy than the design point.

10 hour FEL greasing...I take this to be 10 hrs of FEL operation, not just 10 hrs on the engine. Unless you were using the FEL all of those 10 break in hours, your greasing was unnecessarily premature.

Broken zerks... in FEL arm, recessed by design to avoid breaking them off during operation... I broke a couple off until I adjusted/enlarged the grease zerk nozzle since it was too tight. You just unscrew slightly the nozzle and it loosens the grip that it puts on the zerk. The broken zerks are easily replaced, use a small easy out (be sure that the little spring is removed so you can insert the easy out) to unscrew the broken part and install a new zerk. Yes, a pain, but I admit I REALLY STRESSED the zerk attempting to remove the too tight grease nozzle.

HST range selector. Manual says, and I agree, just barely move vehicle/transmission by tapping the HST pedal forward and placing NORMAL pressure on range selector lever to make for a minimal pressure shift. Seems this is just the way HST transmissions work. It's easy to get the hang of this.

Four wheel drive selector... manual says, and I agree, while stopped use the power steering to turn front wheels right and/or left toward the stop while maintaining slight pressure on the four wheel drive selector. At some point while turning front wheels, the selector will EASILY slip into four wheel drive.

PTO/transmission noise..I dunno, assume that the dealer mechanic on the scene has made the correct judgment to replace the transmission. What more can the dealer offer??

Lift arm motion... seems your dealer has committed to you to make it right...ie, fixed and gone....what more can he do??

So, from my perspective, your concerns are either resolved by proper operator action per manual (shifting and 4WD selection), grease gun adjustments, or waiting for promised complete dealer repairs.

I realize you have already reached your decision to get rid of the Kubota, which is sad since the dealer needs a chance to make good on his commitment to resolve the problems.

I hope that you ultimately are satisfied with whatever tractor you end up with.
 
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I see the jerkiness referred to is the 3 pt, not the FEL, apparently, my bad.
 
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Unfortunately, it sounds to me as if the dealer and his tech have said they're going to fix the problems, but you've already decided that you will not be satisfied and want another tractor. So it makes me doubt there's anything the dealer or Kubota can do to satisfy you. And that's an unfortunate situation for both you and the dealer.
 
   / Kubota got the Gold mine, I got the Shaft!!! #7  
on the HST tractors theres a ball that rolls when you choose the range you want.an sometimes the ball doesnt roll right at all.been there done that mine got so bad youd fight it to shift into the ranges,even tapping the foot pedle farward an an backwards.so the machanic came out an fixed the prob.even when its right you may have to tapp it some if its in a bind.so that itll go in gear.
 
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Quarter inching valve on the 3400 perhaps?
They jerk. I had a dealer demonstrate it to me. Some are worse than others.
They are, should I say, economy, tractors
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that. Of course I could be all wet.

My Grand L5740 occasionally requires the HST pedal to be pressed a bit forward or back sometimes to align the gears when shifting between ranges.
My (old) Grand L 3240 would require the tractor to be moved easily forward or back a bit to take it out of 4WD but I had no problem getting it into 4WD.
 
   / Kubota got the Gold mine, I got the Shaft!!! #9  
Since you already have your mind made up, all I can say is good luck.
 
   / Kubota got the Gold mine, I got the Shaft!!! #10  
All manufacturers make an occasional Lemon. Just a matter of who draws the short straw and buys one.

Best of luck on which ever brand you try next.

Roy
 

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