8226hamer
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- Joined
- Apr 4, 2003
- Messages
- 179
- Location
- Indiana
- Tractor
- Started with a B-20 Kubota, then B2910, now L2800
I did alot of thinking whether I should make this post about my experience with my tractor and the problems that I have experienced. First, this is not a Kubota bashing thread and if you think it is just go to the next thread and forget this one. I have made a few post about the Pto system on my L2800 and my problems I have had earlier. My tractor has 212 hours and I am guessing around 20 hours of Pto use. Twice now the system has failed while using a 50" Land Pride forward rotating roto tiller. Both times Kubota has fixed it under warranty. The basic warranty is about to expire on the tractor and I was wanting to know if this repair would be covered under the powertrain warranty. My dealer said they didn't know for sure and would check into it. I never got a answer, but could tell that they thought it wouldn't be covered under it. They said that the field Rep from Columbus was coming to their shop Thursday and if I would like to meet with him I could and he could give me some answers to the two question that I had, which were why am I having PTO problems and what the powertrain warranty covers. I do use my tractor more than the average home owner. I use it in my business to install new lawns, but still the tractor only has 212 hours on it and very little PTO time. I had emailed Kubota several times wanting this information, without any responce.
I get a call this morning from the Rep and he said he heard about my problems with my tractor and would like to help me out if he could. He informed me that the first time the PTO went out that it was fixed with a different design type of PTO locking cams and I shouldn't be having problems. He said the cams were not changed much except a sharper 90 deree angle was milled in the lugs that lock up. Well these cams didn't hold up for me and they went out with around 20 hours use. My first two Kubotas,B-20 and B2910 both had over 3000 hours time and neither ever gave me PTO problem. I had bad feeling about the L2800 and I know it will happen a third time if I continued using the tiller, but I have no choice I have to
The Rep told me that clutch discs and PTO disc were not covered under the powertrain warranty. My warranty guide does say that about clutch disc but nothing about the PTO. It does say it covers anything inclosed in the transmission housing except cluth discs. You can interpret that however you like.
I told him if it wasn't covered I will have to do somthing because this is not an easy repair. The tractor has to be split and it will be an expensive repair that I will not be willing to pay. I ask him why it was happening and here is his words. Kubota has sold several of the L2800 and L3400 tractors and have had very few problems with the PTO's. He said that I probably use my tractor more that the average person with the type of work I do with it and I agreed with him, but still that didn't answer my question of why the problems. I found out that Kubota makes different tractors for different type of applications and that I made the wrong choice in tractors. I didn't do any research before purchasing the L2800, I thought if it said Kubot that you were getting the best and most dependable tractor out there. I was wrong in that thinking. I have proof that Kubota does make an excellent and dependable tractor from my first two that preformed with no problems at all. I was lucky in making the right choice the first two times. As we were talking in the dealers show room there was Kubota lititure there on the wall and I got the one advertising the L28000 and there it was showing three different sizes of roto tillers that would work with the tractor. I was smiling when when I ask him if Kubota used ruber tines on their tillers, Land pride didn't.
He gave me his therory of why the roto tiller was giving me problems. It is alot harder on the PTO and places much more torque on the system. When the PTO is engaged on the L2800 and L3400 tractors it is done so by two slant cams with two locking lugs that connect that powers up the out put shaft. One of the cams is spring loaded. The springs pressure pushing the one cam into the other is what keeps the two cams engaged. He said the shock from the tiller is causing it to probably increase and decrease the amount of torque causing, not a constant amout of spring torque that will hold the two cams together and that without it that the two cams are overnning their locking lugs. I agreed with him , but ask why would Kubota do this. They have different types of PTO's that do work with a roto tiller why not use it in all there tractors. He said they have used this type of PTO systems in several previous tractors and didn't have a problem. I ask if the previous models had an over running clutch like my L2800 he said no they didn't. All L2800 and L3400 owners have heard the clacking of the overrunning clutch. This noise is made by the two locking cams that are still held together by the spring, but tuning in opposite direction. I ask him about the oil level in the hydro transmission recall and if it had anything to do about PTO problems, he no it was to quiet the clacking noise. I told him that it was probably used for lubrication, as before it was metal to metal when the cams were clacking and now that they were imersed in oil it had to help wear on the cams. He never agreed or disagreed.
I just so happened to have my trusty didgital camera while there and no matter how long it takes me to figgure it out I will get the pictures posted so you all can decide on this PTO system. I thought that the locking lugs would have been cleanly sheared off I was wrong. The damage to the lugs is noticable but not near what I thought it would be. It doesn't take much to put the PTO out of opperating condition and requires the tractor to be split . I think the service manager said the labor guide gave 16 hours of time for the repair. While looking at the close up picture look at the damage where it makes the 90 degree and notice that it's not much, but when I engage the PTO with the condition of these cams all that it would do is clash and not mesh up. I could hold the PTO output shaft on the rear of the tractor and it would stop turning.
I am out of luck and found at that I made the wrong choice in tractors. Like I said at first I am not bashing Kubota, but telling my experience that I had with my L2800. I still think Kubota makes the best compact tractor out there, but do your research and make wise choices.
The best I have found at two of the three Kubota dealers that are close is they both want 5000.00 and my L2800 for a B3030. I am getting ready for a price from the dealer where it all started at.
I am not much of a typer and spelling was not my thing in school. It has taken me about an hour of time to post this information, but I hope that it will help you in deciding on which Kubota to buy. I am sorry for such a long winded post and not the best feedback for Kubota, but I wish it was posted two years go when I was trying to decide on which tractor to buy, it would have saved me $5000.00
I am having problems posting the pictures. If someone can do it I will email them to you, if not I will keep on trying.
I get a call this morning from the Rep and he said he heard about my problems with my tractor and would like to help me out if he could. He informed me that the first time the PTO went out that it was fixed with a different design type of PTO locking cams and I shouldn't be having problems. He said the cams were not changed much except a sharper 90 deree angle was milled in the lugs that lock up. Well these cams didn't hold up for me and they went out with around 20 hours use. My first two Kubotas,B-20 and B2910 both had over 3000 hours time and neither ever gave me PTO problem. I had bad feeling about the L2800 and I know it will happen a third time if I continued using the tiller, but I have no choice I have to
The Rep told me that clutch discs and PTO disc were not covered under the powertrain warranty. My warranty guide does say that about clutch disc but nothing about the PTO. It does say it covers anything inclosed in the transmission housing except cluth discs. You can interpret that however you like.
I told him if it wasn't covered I will have to do somthing because this is not an easy repair. The tractor has to be split and it will be an expensive repair that I will not be willing to pay. I ask him why it was happening and here is his words. Kubota has sold several of the L2800 and L3400 tractors and have had very few problems with the PTO's. He said that I probably use my tractor more that the average person with the type of work I do with it and I agreed with him, but still that didn't answer my question of why the problems. I found out that Kubota makes different tractors for different type of applications and that I made the wrong choice in tractors. I didn't do any research before purchasing the L2800, I thought if it said Kubot that you were getting the best and most dependable tractor out there. I was wrong in that thinking. I have proof that Kubota does make an excellent and dependable tractor from my first two that preformed with no problems at all. I was lucky in making the right choice the first two times. As we were talking in the dealers show room there was Kubota lititure there on the wall and I got the one advertising the L28000 and there it was showing three different sizes of roto tillers that would work with the tractor. I was smiling when when I ask him if Kubota used ruber tines on their tillers, Land pride didn't.
He gave me his therory of why the roto tiller was giving me problems. It is alot harder on the PTO and places much more torque on the system. When the PTO is engaged on the L2800 and L3400 tractors it is done so by two slant cams with two locking lugs that connect that powers up the out put shaft. One of the cams is spring loaded. The springs pressure pushing the one cam into the other is what keeps the two cams engaged. He said the shock from the tiller is causing it to probably increase and decrease the amount of torque causing, not a constant amout of spring torque that will hold the two cams together and that without it that the two cams are overnning their locking lugs. I agreed with him , but ask why would Kubota do this. They have different types of PTO's that do work with a roto tiller why not use it in all there tractors. He said they have used this type of PTO systems in several previous tractors and didn't have a problem. I ask if the previous models had an over running clutch like my L2800 he said no they didn't. All L2800 and L3400 owners have heard the clacking of the overrunning clutch. This noise is made by the two locking cams that are still held together by the spring, but tuning in opposite direction. I ask him about the oil level in the hydro transmission recall and if it had anything to do about PTO problems, he no it was to quiet the clacking noise. I told him that it was probably used for lubrication, as before it was metal to metal when the cams were clacking and now that they were imersed in oil it had to help wear on the cams. He never agreed or disagreed.
I just so happened to have my trusty didgital camera while there and no matter how long it takes me to figgure it out I will get the pictures posted so you all can decide on this PTO system. I thought that the locking lugs would have been cleanly sheared off I was wrong. The damage to the lugs is noticable but not near what I thought it would be. It doesn't take much to put the PTO out of opperating condition and requires the tractor to be split . I think the service manager said the labor guide gave 16 hours of time for the repair. While looking at the close up picture look at the damage where it makes the 90 degree and notice that it's not much, but when I engage the PTO with the condition of these cams all that it would do is clash and not mesh up. I could hold the PTO output shaft on the rear of the tractor and it would stop turning.
I am out of luck and found at that I made the wrong choice in tractors. Like I said at first I am not bashing Kubota, but telling my experience that I had with my L2800. I still think Kubota makes the best compact tractor out there, but do your research and make wise choices.
The best I have found at two of the three Kubota dealers that are close is they both want 5000.00 and my L2800 for a B3030. I am getting ready for a price from the dealer where it all started at.
I am not much of a typer and spelling was not my thing in school. It has taken me about an hour of time to post this information, but I hope that it will help you in deciding on which Kubota to buy. I am sorry for such a long winded post and not the best feedback for Kubota, but I wish it was posted two years go when I was trying to decide on which tractor to buy, it would have saved me $5000.00
I am having problems posting the pictures. If someone can do it I will email them to you, if not I will keep on trying.