Ok, so I have a 10 acre property, about half of that is where a horse pasture is (we have no horses) and the other 5 acres is grass. (about 2 acres of which is weeds because I don't have the time to cut it all which I hate). Currently I cut with a 38" craftsman riding mower and it takes a long time to do 3 acres of grass (usually I do the front yard one week and the back yard the next it takes so long). I decided that I would like to buy a small tractor, then I decided I would probobly make use of the backhoe also and so was looking at the Kubota BX25 and the Massey 2410. It seems to me like there is nothing that the Kubota is better at than the Massey, we have a dealer who is relatively nearby for both brands, with a 60" mmm the Kabota was quoted at around $18,000 plus tax cash or around $19,000 plus tax with 0% for 42 months. (I am in Canada so the don't compare the prices to what you pay in the US). The local dealer of the Masseys gave me a price on the 2410 with the mower at 21,000 plus tax cash or 23300 with 0% for 72 months. That seems like ahuge differance to me so I asked him if he competed with the prices of the kubota dealer and he said no (in more words). So I called a Massey dealer who is slightly further away (46 miles instead of 15 miles) and he doesn't have any 2410s, and says he can't get any, but he does have 2610s and said that the cash price of a 2610 with a mower would be $19,250! I read a bunch of posts saying to buy from a local dealer so you get good service and what not but that to me is a huge amount of money $1750 more for a slightly less expensive tractor). So I am confused on what to do, I would rather get the Massey than the Kubota, but I would also rather get locally than 46 miles away. To throw a wrench into things the local Massey dealer also has a used gc2310 for $16,900 including a mower deck. As you can tell price is very important to me however after reading about the tractors it seems like the 2410 is far superior to the 2310 (especially after watching the video on the massey site saying how the 2410 is better than the bx25 and the 2310 is similar to the bx25). Also of course the used machine would have no warranty (its a 2006 with 220 hours) and no cruise control which I think will be important because my front yard is around 400 feet long and the whole property is totally flat so cruise might make mowing a bit better. What do you think the best thing to do is?
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LBrown59
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Wonder why there are way more BX owners than GC owners?
MFRED
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Wonder why there are way more BX owners than GC owners?
What kind of comment is that? Another useless post. Have you counted who owns what, or just talking out your smart end?
I bet there are more Cavalier owners than Corvette owners as well, doesn't mean squat.
I would buy a new machine with a warranty for the price difference. Ride & drive both, dig, turn , mow if you can. Buy from the dealer you feel the best about. An hours ride isn't that far around here, you may still get great service. Tell the closer dealer what's going on. If he can't get a tractor or transfer in one, that I wouldn't forsee them holding a grudge.
mustangsallysdad
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I have one of each and prefer my Massey for it's better ergonomics, faster and smoother hydraulics, less plastic, etc. Also, I've never had an issue with CAT. 1 implements on my Massey, can't say the same about the Kubota. Both of mine have backhoes and the backhoe setup on the Massey is superior. The Kubota is plenty capable, however a little "quirky" on the above issues. I paid about the same for both brands and have over 1,700 hrs. on the MF and 1,230 hrs. on the Kubota. Both fine little machines but the Kubota has now been relegated to mowing duty almost exclusively.
Thanks for the info. I didnt see too many (if any) areas where the kubota was better. They seem pretty equal in most regards with the Massey having a slight edge in a couple areas. I also researched the Deere but it was more expensive and they shut down their plant in the city I live in and moved the operation to Mexico putting alot of people out of work so Deere isn't even a real consideration it's pretty much just down to 2
bmarian
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Hi Newdeal,
Welcome to the Massey Forum! You will find good information from the Massey owners here but be sure to ignore LBrown59. He has Massey envy and just posts and posts useless stuff generally. MFRED said it very well about LB "What kind of comment is that? Another useless post. Have you counted who owns what, or just talking out your smart end?"
I looked at all 3 brands of Tractor Loader Backhoe and had decided to buy the John Deere until I went to the Deere dealer and he showed me the Massey sitting next to the Deere. It is very apparent how much better made the Massey is and my Backhoe and Loader are made in USA! Maybe that is not as big a deal for a Canadian but...
The 2610 is a very nice tractor and there are a couple of advantages over the 2410. The extra horsepower is nice and the other advantage is the tractor hours are measured at a higher RPM so the warranty will last longer. For example if a 2410 and a 2610 were both running at 2000 RPM the hours display on the 2610 will move slower. Not a big advantage but if you use the tractor a lot your warranty will last longer on the 2610.
One thing to consider with the Massey financing is there is a required insurance policy (unless you get a binder from your insurance) that added about $ 1000.00 to the cost of my tractor over the 72 months. I was going to get a binder on my insurance but that would have cost me something too and the coverage on the Massey insurance (Chub Insurance Co.) is excellent, much better than the coverage I would have received from my insurance. If you pay off the tractor early they rebate the cost of the coverage in a prorated basis. In fact the coverage is so good that when I pay off my 2410 early I will keep a couple of payments until the very end so that I can keep the insurance.
You also need to consider the type of tires on the tractors, do you want Turf tires, R4's or bar lugs? You mentioned mowing so maybe the turfs or R4's would be good for you. I wanted bar lugs because I don't mow with my 2410.
Also, you might be able to reach an agreement with your dealer to pickup your tractor for service and warranty repairs. At least if you buy from the dealer a little farther away you should reach an agreement for a free or reduced cost service call.
Make sure you are comparing apples to apples with the tractors. The tire type will have a small effect on pricing and are the tires loaded? You are North of me in Canada so you might want to get a block heater in the deal, not a oil pan heater. The tractor has glow plugs but I have never used them even on the coldest (32F 0C) mornings here in southern California. But you will likely appreciate a block heater at some point in the winter.
I would definitely drive to both dealers and talk to them, the 2410 should be less expensive than the 2610 not vice versa. 30 minutes difference in time between the 2 dealers is a wash in my opinion, you will spend (waste) more time at either dealer just looking at accessories! But do visit both dealers in person and see how you are treated. Inquire about loaner tractors if yours is in for warranty work and there is a parts delay...the grass in the pasture keeps growing.
Also, go sit on the Kubota and try to lift the tractor off the ground with the loader and backhoe at idle. The difference in the engine speed needed to just pickup the front and rear of the tractor is amazing. I needed to run the Kubota at almost 2000 RPM to lift itself up. The Massey has no problem at idle. Check out how they feel to operate the backhoe controls, the Massey was silky smooth and the Kubota was less responsive and jerkier. Look at the cylinders that curl the loader bucket, another edge to the Massey. Look at the welds on the loader and backhoe, the welds on my tractor are very smooth and continuous.
You also should consider all the attachments you want for the Massey at once. The financing is good for everything you buy with the tractor. So if you are considering a box blade or snowthrower then you want to include it all in the 0%. I got the dealer to throw in a really nice Gearmore box blade with my tractor as the icing on the cake. Talk to the dealer and see if the insurance is a part of the financing, if so then the difference is really not that bad over the course of 6 years, it may not really be 0% financing since the sale price goes up but 7 or 8 percent over 6 years is pretty cheap in my book. My dealer said the financing cost him $ 400 or $ 500 but that was really not a big deal on a $ 17,250 USD purchase.
As a parting shot...Just buy the Massey, you will never regret operating a machine so smooth and easy to run. One item you need to watch is keeping the smile off your face when you have been out playing ...oops I mean working with the tractor. Your wife is bound to decide you and your new toy are having a little bit too much fun.
No Massey envy here,
Bruce
Welcome to the Massey Forum! You will find good information from the Massey owners here but be sure to ignore LBrown59. He has Massey envy and just posts and posts useless stuff generally. MFRED said it very well about LB "What kind of comment is that? Another useless post. Have you counted who owns what, or just talking out your smart end?"
I looked at all 3 brands of Tractor Loader Backhoe and had decided to buy the John Deere until I went to the Deere dealer and he showed me the Massey sitting next to the Deere. It is very apparent how much better made the Massey is and my Backhoe and Loader are made in USA! Maybe that is not as big a deal for a Canadian but...
The 2610 is a very nice tractor and there are a couple of advantages over the 2410. The extra horsepower is nice and the other advantage is the tractor hours are measured at a higher RPM so the warranty will last longer. For example if a 2410 and a 2610 were both running at 2000 RPM the hours display on the 2610 will move slower. Not a big advantage but if you use the tractor a lot your warranty will last longer on the 2610.
One thing to consider with the Massey financing is there is a required insurance policy (unless you get a binder from your insurance) that added about $ 1000.00 to the cost of my tractor over the 72 months. I was going to get a binder on my insurance but that would have cost me something too and the coverage on the Massey insurance (Chub Insurance Co.) is excellent, much better than the coverage I would have received from my insurance. If you pay off the tractor early they rebate the cost of the coverage in a prorated basis. In fact the coverage is so good that when I pay off my 2410 early I will keep a couple of payments until the very end so that I can keep the insurance.
You also need to consider the type of tires on the tractors, do you want Turf tires, R4's or bar lugs? You mentioned mowing so maybe the turfs or R4's would be good for you. I wanted bar lugs because I don't mow with my 2410.
Also, you might be able to reach an agreement with your dealer to pickup your tractor for service and warranty repairs. At least if you buy from the dealer a little farther away you should reach an agreement for a free or reduced cost service call.
Make sure you are comparing apples to apples with the tractors. The tire type will have a small effect on pricing and are the tires loaded? You are North of me in Canada so you might want to get a block heater in the deal, not a oil pan heater. The tractor has glow plugs but I have never used them even on the coldest (32F 0C) mornings here in southern California. But you will likely appreciate a block heater at some point in the winter.
I would definitely drive to both dealers and talk to them, the 2410 should be less expensive than the 2610 not vice versa. 30 minutes difference in time between the 2 dealers is a wash in my opinion, you will spend (waste) more time at either dealer just looking at accessories! But do visit both dealers in person and see how you are treated. Inquire about loaner tractors if yours is in for warranty work and there is a parts delay...the grass in the pasture keeps growing.
Also, go sit on the Kubota and try to lift the tractor off the ground with the loader and backhoe at idle. The difference in the engine speed needed to just pickup the front and rear of the tractor is amazing. I needed to run the Kubota at almost 2000 RPM to lift itself up. The Massey has no problem at idle. Check out how they feel to operate the backhoe controls, the Massey was silky smooth and the Kubota was less responsive and jerkier. Look at the cylinders that curl the loader bucket, another edge to the Massey. Look at the welds on the loader and backhoe, the welds on my tractor are very smooth and continuous.
You also should consider all the attachments you want for the Massey at once. The financing is good for everything you buy with the tractor. So if you are considering a box blade or snowthrower then you want to include it all in the 0%. I got the dealer to throw in a really nice Gearmore box blade with my tractor as the icing on the cake. Talk to the dealer and see if the insurance is a part of the financing, if so then the difference is really not that bad over the course of 6 years, it may not really be 0% financing since the sale price goes up but 7 or 8 percent over 6 years is pretty cheap in my book. My dealer said the financing cost him $ 400 or $ 500 but that was really not a big deal on a $ 17,250 USD purchase.
As a parting shot...Just buy the Massey, you will never regret operating a machine so smooth and easy to run. One item you need to watch is keeping the smile off your face when you have been out playing ...oops I mean working with the tractor. Your wife is bound to decide you and your new toy are having a little bit too much fun.
No Massey envy here,
Bruce
Niagara region in Ontario