Could a Aussie tell us how your Government confiscated your guns?

[JoeBuyer]

Do you how many time the NRA has come here to tell us how to do things? Just saying.

Seriously?

 

[yelbike]

Yes. seriously.

 

[tcartwri]

Yes. seriously.

X2...

 

[JoeBuyer]

Yes. seriously.

Wow, I had no idea the NRA was so active in promoting gun ownership in Canada. Common sense prevailed.

 

[JoeBuyer]

RADARTECH.... IN ANOTHER THREAD YOU SAID THE FOLLOWING.... I WOULD LIKE A RESPONSE

I carry everywhere that is legal...
I was bored and giving you fits is very humorous
It would have been du if you were there as at least 40% of the folks I saw looked to be carrying.

I could have had a. Front row seat to you getting raked....

You might even been reported as a liberal that needs to be investigated for something there....

By the way, I was expecting you to retract your post from yesterday. Your post above should be condemned by all rational members of TBN and by the moderator. I told you before that the post was sick and you were out of control. Since you did not retract it, I will bring it up again.

In your post you said "I could have had a. Front row seat to you getting raked...." You are referring to me being shot in a Walmart and you having a front seat to witnessing it. You don't seem to have a problem with public violence. And you think 40% of the people around you are carrying weapons? A true marine would never say something as reckless as this, so I have to wonder if you really are a marine and/or you have gone off of your rocker. Either way, you do not seem rational and I think you should turn in your concealed permits and report your irrational behavior to the authorities in the state which you live.

Definition of raked as it relates to guns
10. to fire guns along the length of (a body of troops, ship, etc.).
http://www.definitions.net/definition/rake

 

[dennis52]

Just remember, more people live in Texas than all of Australia.

And that's the way we like it !

 

[MBTRAC]

To each his own. IMHO I disagree. The day Australia goes down the same firearms path as USA will be a very sad day.

I have noted that few Australians have entered into this discussion. Seems that maybe this indicates a low interest in the subject as we have such a safe (relatively) way of life.

Weedpharma

I believe you may have misunderstood my sentiments:-

I'm neither suggesting a pro or anti gun stance, IMO allowing guns in the community is either all or nothing as taking the hypocrisy of the "middle ground" created by our gun buy back is a complete nonsense - either we accept guns have no place in society or allow legal unrestricted ownership, in both extremes also imposing the harshest penalties for all gun crime including illegal ownership.

Somehow I fail to grasp how it can be deemed legal under our local gun laws to own a bolt action rifle when a semi/automatic weapon is deemed illegal purely because it has the potential to inflict numerically greater (though the same consequential) damage on society? Using this illogical premise of arguably creating a safer environment by banning/restricting items/activities on the basis of their potential to inflict multiple injuries/damage on society, perhaps we should also ban multi-passenger vehicles due to their inherent risk of numerically greater consequences in an accident?
And what about alcohol & drugs which is highly represented in vehicle accidents, assaults, crime...etc, maybe alcohol should be banned too or is it ok to continue to ignore this problem as has very much been the situation to date & the exponential consequences to society? So it's ok for our Courts & society to take a "soft" approach to crimes committed under the influence of alcohol &/or illegal drugs ....as long as a gun is not used to inflict the same outcome on society the carnage created by individuals high on alcohol/drugs is somehow more acceptable?
Locally & globally, it might just be our society is directed far too much by Government's more concerned with matters of convenience, living in the "moment", political aspirations & the media......

Perhaps also the broader aspects of crime statistics need to be examined prior to drawing any solace from the Australian gun buy back & changes to gun ownership. And rather than indicating a (relatively) safe way of life, the lack of interest in this subject may also suggest us Australians live within a culture that can be complacent to the extreme, yes as uninformed individuals we may feel (relatively) safe but as a collective nation comparative to the USA seemingly not:-

1. People victimized by Crime as a % of the total population
(Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats)
Australia 30.1%
USA - 20.1%

2. Perception of Safety> Walking in the dark.
Australia 64%
USA - 82%

And interestingly these statistics & the attached Australian crime statistics have not varied pre/post our gun buy back.......which supports my original post comment "it was nothing more than a political knee jerk reaction appeasing the mass outrage to a single horrific & tragic event"......And unfortunately legal & illegal gun possession remains to be satisfactorily addressed in Australia.......

 

[RadarTech]

I believe you may have misunderstood my sentiments:-

I'm neither suggesting a pro or anti gun stance, IMO allowing guns in the community is either all or nothing as taking the hypocrisy of the "middle ground" created by our gun buy back is a complete nonsense - either we accept guns have no place in society or allow legal unrestricted ownership, in both extremes also imposing the harshest penalties for all gun crime including illegal ownership.

Somehow I fail to grasp how it can be deemed legal under our local gun laws to own a bolt action rifle when a semi/automatic weapon is deemed illegal purely because it has the potential to inflict numerically greater (though the same consequential) damage on society? Using this illogical premise of arguably creating a safer environment by banning/restricting items/activities on the basis of their potential to inflict multiple injuries/damage on society, perhaps we should also ban multi-passenger vehicles due to their inherent risk of numerically greater consequences in an accident?
And what about alcohol & drugs which is highly represented in vehicle accidents, assaults, crime...etc, maybe alcohol should be banned too or is it ok to continue to ignore this problem as has very much been the situation to date & the exponential consequences to society? So it's ok for our Courts & society to take a "soft" approach to crimes committed under the influence of alcohol &/or illegal drugs ....as long as a gun is not used to inflict the same outcome on society the carnage created by individuals high on alcohol/drugs is somehow more acceptable?
Locally & globally, it might just be our society is directed far too much by Government's more concerned with matters of convenience, living in the "moment", political aspirations & the media......

Perhaps also the broader aspects of crime statistics need to be examined prior to drawing any solace from the Australian gun buy back & changes to gun ownership. And rather than indicating a (relatively) safe way of life, the lack of interest in this subject may also suggest us Australians live within a culture that can be complacent to the extreme, yes as uninformed individuals we may feel (relatively) safe but as a collective nation comparative to the USA seemingly not:-

1. People victimized by Crime as a % of the total population
(Data refer to people victimized by one or more of 11 crimes recorded in the survey: robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats)
Australia 30.1%
USA - 20.1%

2. Perception of Safety> Walking in the dark.
Australia 64%
USA - 82%

And interestingly these statistics & the attached Australian crime statistics have not varied pre/post our gun buy back.......which supports my original post comment "it was nothing more than a political knee jerk reaction appeasing the mass outrage to a single horrific & tragic event"......And unfortunately legal & illegal possession remains to be satisfactorily addressed in Australia.......

Thank you for your time, thoughtfulness and post...

It is appreciated..

 

[Alan L.]

Good for you, but I don't live in Canada nor would I want to. Here is an excellent post from another thread written by someone living in a foreign country:

"Can I suggest that what happens in the US should not be influenced in any way by statistics and gun regulations in other countries? I am British, have lived there in two spells (the first from birth) totalling 45 years in both England and Scotland, plus I have had 13 years in Australia and more recently 10 in Portugal. I have never lived in the US, but believe the cultures about guns are so dissimilar that comparisons amongst the countries are of no value whatsoever.

There is some erroneous information in a few threads too. British police do not carry guns at any time on duty except under express conditions of requirement in individual situations, and a limited number of officers may be permitted to be armed. If a gun is carried by police in a vehicle the vehicle must be fitted with a special compartment in which the gun(s) are placed. My brother in law fits them for one force. I owned a shotgun in Britain (as many, if not most farmers do, and generally for pest control only) and took it to Australia with me where I bought a 3000 acre sheep and cattle station. I then bought a .243 and a .22 because the pests were much more numerous - and different to the UK. On returning to Britain I took the shotgun and .243 and had no difficulty in obtaining permission to keep them, despite not owning any land when I first arrived back. I bought 22 acres only and was able to renew the licence to have both guns. Note I had nowhere else to use them. I obtained a European "passport" for the guns, meaning I could take them anywhere in the European Union, and I brought them with me to Portugal where I am semi-retired on 16 acres. I knew many people in Australia and Britain who had guns, and I never met anyone who had any difficulty in obtaining their licences. I did not know anyone who owned a rapid fire gun of any description, they are not really pest control weapons in the farmers' sense. I knew station owners in Australia who carried a pistol in order to be able to shoot their own livestock that needed to be culled.

Rules on handguns in Britain changed whilst I was there after being in Australia and rules on semi-automatics in Australia changed after I left. I would say that amongst non-farmers it is unusual for people to own guns in either place. In Britain there is little land available for shooting, and what there is is very expensive shooting, so rich people who are non-farmers are the ones most likely to have legally held guns, plus a very few who target shoot. There is more scope in Australia, and some people in rural towns will have guns and the availability of land on which to shoot.

Neither place has a history of widespread gun ownership, and as a consequence the number of guns per head of population is miniscule compared with the US. Perhaps, just perhaps, this gives rise to less criminals using guns too, because they have not been accustomed to having them around and their victims will almost certainly not have a gun. They do make mistakes when robbing farmhouses and the odd one has been shot. Of course criminals will obtain guns if they want them. Triple R gave me a link on another thread that showed one million violent gun crimes a year are committed in the US. Britain has about one fifth of the US population so, on the same per capita ratio would have 200,000 similar crimes. Statistics are published to September each year, the latest currently available, 2011, gave just over 6,000 such crimes, a drop on the previous year of (from memory) somewhere over 7,000. There are statistics available for Australia both pre and post the automatic ban.

I would not now walk alone at night (and some parts in daytime) in any major UK city except along a brightly lit major thoroughfare with lots of people around. I saw a statistic recently that 50% of all crime in the UK is committed in the Greater London area.

What you decide to do, if anything, about further gun control is up to you, the people of the US, and foreigners should keep their nose out of what is your business. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with politicians or so-called celebrities from other countries."

Thanks for that. Another major factor, the only one that really matters but tends to be swept under the rug and replaced by stats guns legal vs not legal.........ownership of guns by Americans is guaranteed in the 2nd amendment to the constitution. Period. That is the only justification we need. Liars can make anything out of stats they wish.

 

[RadarTech]

I would invite you all to read the proposed law that they are trying to pass in Illinois...