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timb
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- Deere 4710/reverser, JD 318 (still needs TLC), JD LT160
John,
You're right, I'm trying to compare brand-spanking new to brand-spanking new to keep it Macintosh to Granny Smith. The follow-up discussion would be that *if* the slightly bigger 2WD utility is a reasonable alternative to the slightly smaller 4WD tractor, *then* I'll look into used since I have noticed that there seems to be a LOT more "recent" 2WD used small equipment around here than 4WD. Maybe that means the folks with 4WD are keeping theirs and the former 2WD owners are upgrading /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif - but I guess that works to my advantage if my needs fit fine with just 2WD.
I actually started all of this out looking at letter-series Farmalls and their contemporaries - I love *old* tractors (and their pricing around here) - but quickly realized the advantages and safety of more current designs for my intended uses.
Those uses include for now (maybe) putting in then maintaining a 1000 foot driveway, 12-13 acres of cultivated land - hope to shift those into pasture land - and an 8-9 acre woodlot. Then serious landscaping / outbuilding construction over a number of years - which outside of the house construction itself we prefer to do ourselves for both the cost savings and the therapy - but mostly because it will take us a while of living with the "farm" to figure out how to go and it will only happen a little at a time. Finally it's possible but not yet definite that we may end up expanding our business through specialized low row crops on maybe half this area and/or could end up with some small haying needs as well. Probably a big CUT could handle most of this, just maybe taking longer on some jobs and a bit over it's head on others. OTOH, we are also going to be finish mowing a few acres - not so much up front but more as time goes on and things settle in. So a utility tractor is probably going to eventually prove a bit big for some jobs.
So I think between the mowing, "farming", and digging - that sets a pretty high bar for any one swiss-army-knife machine and is making it a bit tough to pick a size (or even transmission). It's not so much or so little of any one type of task that it definitely sets the target for tractor size/type.
I realize that the 2WD/4WD price difference is generally under $5K - but when you're talking about a $20K-$21K street price that's a fairly big difference to me. Doubly so since like so many others here I'm at the beginning of a major home building project. There's a lot of projects looking for a dip from the same pot of funds. Triply so since because of those other needs I'll be financing part of the tractor - at least half - so the "extra" is all financed money so to speak.
Sure, I wouldn't say no if the dealer wanted to throw in the MFWD at no charge /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif but one way to look at it is that $5K nearly pays for the loader AND a rear mower deck. So my $20K buys me a lot of chore-handling. Also - outside of normal spring rain wet - I don't have much in the way of very "wet" or muddy areas on my parcel - except for two small actual ponds. Nor do I have much in the way of overly steep grades. All things being equal - I guess I'm wondering outloud not which is the best tractor - set up in it's ultimate form - but which is the best, most useful to me, $20K machine package. (or $15K, or $25K, well you get the idea.) I'm not worried too much about resale value because I fully expect that a decent new tractor should outlast me and I don't intend to sell it. Certainly those old tractor models I mentioned are older than me now.
Also, I almost hate to mention this but frankly I'm a little worried about the true long-term durability of the CUTs. I see little details or read soundbites that lead me to wonder if the CUTs aren't really built like even the small old tractors - but the utility class may be more like the small Fords or Farmalls in the extended family. Things like wet cylinder liners vs cast-in-block bores, tearing out PTOs with a small baler, clutch sizes. That sort of thing. Not bashing the CUTs but they like all machinery are built to a purpose and a duty-cycle.
Sorry for getting long-winded but I really value the insights of the more experienced forum members here and I realize you needed more info to base an opinion.
Thanks,
Tim
You're right, I'm trying to compare brand-spanking new to brand-spanking new to keep it Macintosh to Granny Smith. The follow-up discussion would be that *if* the slightly bigger 2WD utility is a reasonable alternative to the slightly smaller 4WD tractor, *then* I'll look into used since I have noticed that there seems to be a LOT more "recent" 2WD used small equipment around here than 4WD. Maybe that means the folks with 4WD are keeping theirs and the former 2WD owners are upgrading /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif - but I guess that works to my advantage if my needs fit fine with just 2WD.
I actually started all of this out looking at letter-series Farmalls and their contemporaries - I love *old* tractors (and their pricing around here) - but quickly realized the advantages and safety of more current designs for my intended uses.
Those uses include for now (maybe) putting in then maintaining a 1000 foot driveway, 12-13 acres of cultivated land - hope to shift those into pasture land - and an 8-9 acre woodlot. Then serious landscaping / outbuilding construction over a number of years - which outside of the house construction itself we prefer to do ourselves for both the cost savings and the therapy - but mostly because it will take us a while of living with the "farm" to figure out how to go and it will only happen a little at a time. Finally it's possible but not yet definite that we may end up expanding our business through specialized low row crops on maybe half this area and/or could end up with some small haying needs as well. Probably a big CUT could handle most of this, just maybe taking longer on some jobs and a bit over it's head on others. OTOH, we are also going to be finish mowing a few acres - not so much up front but more as time goes on and things settle in. So a utility tractor is probably going to eventually prove a bit big for some jobs.
So I think between the mowing, "farming", and digging - that sets a pretty high bar for any one swiss-army-knife machine and is making it a bit tough to pick a size (or even transmission). It's not so much or so little of any one type of task that it definitely sets the target for tractor size/type.
I realize that the 2WD/4WD price difference is generally under $5K - but when you're talking about a $20K-$21K street price that's a fairly big difference to me. Doubly so since like so many others here I'm at the beginning of a major home building project. There's a lot of projects looking for a dip from the same pot of funds. Triply so since because of those other needs I'll be financing part of the tractor - at least half - so the "extra" is all financed money so to speak.
Sure, I wouldn't say no if the dealer wanted to throw in the MFWD at no charge /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif but one way to look at it is that $5K nearly pays for the loader AND a rear mower deck. So my $20K buys me a lot of chore-handling. Also - outside of normal spring rain wet - I don't have much in the way of very "wet" or muddy areas on my parcel - except for two small actual ponds. Nor do I have much in the way of overly steep grades. All things being equal - I guess I'm wondering outloud not which is the best tractor - set up in it's ultimate form - but which is the best, most useful to me, $20K machine package. (or $15K, or $25K, well you get the idea.) I'm not worried too much about resale value because I fully expect that a decent new tractor should outlast me and I don't intend to sell it. Certainly those old tractor models I mentioned are older than me now.
Also, I almost hate to mention this but frankly I'm a little worried about the true long-term durability of the CUTs. I see little details or read soundbites that lead me to wonder if the CUTs aren't really built like even the small old tractors - but the utility class may be more like the small Fords or Farmalls in the extended family. Things like wet cylinder liners vs cast-in-block bores, tearing out PTOs with a small baler, clutch sizes. That sort of thing. Not bashing the CUTs but they like all machinery are built to a purpose and a duty-cycle.
Sorry for getting long-winded but I really value the insights of the more experienced forum members here and I realize you needed more info to base an opinion.
Thanks,
Tim