7010 air conditioning

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My air conditioning is on the fritz. It cools good until about 20 mins of running. After that it only blows warm air. Compressor is engaging. Filter at back of cab is clean. Belt is tight (actually new). Know very little about air systems. Anyone have any suggestions other than the obvious take it to the dealer?
 
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My air conditioning is on the fritz. It cools good until about 20 mins of running. After that it only blows warm air. Compressor is engaging. Filter at back of cab is clean. Belt is tight (actually new). Know very little about air systems. Anyone have any suggestions other than the obvious take it to the dealer?

When it stops blowing cold.............turn it off and let it thaw out for about 10 minutes, then turn it back on. Sounds like it is freezing up, which means something isn't right and needs servicing.
hugs, Brandi
 
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When it stops blowing cold.............turn it off and let it thaw out for about 10 minutes, then turn it back on. Sounds like it is freezing up, which means something isn't right and needs servicing.
hugs, Brandi

Maybe too much freon? I'm buying a gauge today.
 
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Put a gauge on it today, but am unsure of when it is supposed to be read. Sitting without running I got 100lbs, running at idle I got almost 50 lbs, but at pto 540 speed it dropped way down to almost 20 lbs.. These numbers help anyone in diagnosing the problem? Also I observed for 15 mins and the compressor is engaging.
 
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You are tapped into the low side, I believe. Running at an idle, and the controls set at cool and full fan, the pump should be running and your guage should hold at about 30 to 40 , maybe pull down to the low 20ies and the pump should kick out once in a while. If the pump is cycling on and off a lot, you may need a few more ounces of freon.
 
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You are tapped into the low side, I believe. Running at an idle, and the controls set at cool and full fan, the pump should be running and your guage should hold at about 30 to 40 , maybe pull down to the low 20ies and the pump should kick out once in a while. If the pump is cycling on and off a lot, you may need a few more ounces of freon.

Yes Im on the low side. At idle Im in the 50 range. Does that mean there is too much?
I'll check compressor run times and post.
 
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A/C diagnosis is not a simple matter of reading a gauge and knowing for sure if the system is low on refrig. or overcharged - you have to troubleshoot and actually diagnose the problem - you need to know how to work on an a/c system. Same thing with all the guys pulling "codes" from the ECM on a vehicle and relating say, for instance a code indicating " O2 sensor not switching rich/lean" as to being a bad O2 sensor and go replace it without actually diagnosing anything. Many things can cause an O2 sensor to not switch rich/lean and not be a thing wrong with the O2 sensor. You can hurt yourself and/or cause more serious damage to an a/c system by adding refrigerant trying to get it to cool without knowing what you're doing. With R134a the charge really needs to be removed and accurately weighed and reinstalled for the actual system requirement - it's not the same as adding a few oz's of R12 in the old systems - they were more forgiving. You need to know actual ambient air temp and relative humidity, need to check the evaporator for air flow restrictions/dirt and condensate drainage, check the condenser for good airflow/trash accumulation etc. If your evaporator is freezing-up like you guess, it could be restricted airflow thru it, could be a sticking expansion valve if it has one or a restricted expansion tube if it has that instead - they have extremely fine screens in either and get partially clogged very easily and will cause an evaporator to freeze-up. I've seen alot of screens clogged with just the fibers from the dessicant bag inside a system from normal operation. And of course a little low on refrig can cause it as well. Ideal pressures for an R12 system will usually run around 26 -28 psi on the low side with around 225 - 275 psi on the high side, depending on ambient and humidity. These readings would be at a fast idle of around 1100 - 1200 rpms. On an R134a system the pressures will run a little higher when fully charged and operating properly - about 28 -32 psi low side and quite often the high side will be over 300 psi. Other factors come into play with these readings too, air flow across the condenser makes a huge difference especially. Now if you have a resticted expansion tube and start adding refrig to try to get it to cool and your compressor is still good you can have pressures in excess of 450 psi or more right under your nose - pretty dangerous stuff. It's usually worth it to spend the $30 checkout fee (+/-) for a professional to check your a/c system - find someone that knows how the systems operate.
 
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A/C diagnosis is not a simple matter of reading a gauge and knowing for sure if the system is low on refrig. or overcharged - you have to troubleshoot and actually diagnose the problem - you need to know how to work on an a/c system. Same thing with all the guys pulling "codes" from the ECM on a vehicle and relating say, for instance a code indicating " O2 sensor not switching rich/lean" as to being a bad O2 sensor and go replace it without actually diagnosing anything. Many things can cause an O2 sensor to not switch rich/lean and not be a thing wrong with the O2 sensor. You can hurt yourself and/or cause more serious damage to an a/c system by adding refrigerant trying to get it to cool without knowing what you're doing. With R134a the charge really needs to be removed and accurately weighed and reinstalled for the actual system requirement - it's not the same as adding a few oz's of R12 in the old systems - they were more forgiving. You need to know actual ambient air temp and relative humidity, need to check the evaporator for air flow restrictions/dirt and condensate drainage, check the condenser for good airflow/trash accumulation etc. If your evaporator is freezing-up like you guess, it could be restricted airflow thru it, could be a sticking expansion valve if it has one or a restricted expansion tube if it has that instead - they have extremely fine screens in either and get partially clogged very easily and will cause an evaporator to freeze-up. I've seen alot of screens clogged with just the fibers from the dessicant bag inside a system from normal operation. And of course a little low on refrig can cause it as well. Ideal pressures for an R12 system will usually run around 26 -28 psi on the low side with around 225 - 275 psi on the high side, depending on ambient and humidity. These readings would be at a fast idle of around 1100 - 1200 rpms. On an R134a system the pressures will run a little higher when fully charged and operating properly - about 28 -32 psi low side and quite often the high side will be over 300 psi. Other factors come into play with these readings too, air flow across the condenser makes a huge difference especially. Now if you have a resticted expansion tube and start adding refrig to try to get it to cool and your compressor is still good you can have pressures in excess of 450 psi or more right under your nose - pretty dangerous stuff. It's usually worth it to spend the $30 checkout fee (+/-) for a professional to check your a/c system - find someone that knows how the systems operate.

Thanks and you're right. I just want to make sure it's not something simple before sending it to the dealer. It's still under warranty so I wouldnt be out that much. I just wanted to finish my hay as quick as psossible. Another reason for not running to a specialist is there aren't any for atleast 50 to 75 miles from me.
Also just for kicks I'm in the 45 psi range at slow idle.
 
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Any shop that does automotive AC should be able to work on it.
 
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My brother came today and checked it out. He says it is the high pressure switch going bad. The high pressure switch is made on the accumulator dryer. He showed me I could make it run but it's just gonna get worse.
After it cycles a number of times the switch shuts it off. Once I notice the warming of the air I can put a hot wire to the compressor to engage it (then take it away) and it will run normally for a while longer.
Hope this is gonna be covered under warranty!
 
 
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