APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

[TYM Tractors]

You could also consider adding front end weights in order to compensate for the heavy rear attachment.

 

[TSO]

I will tell you the lift numbers on the 3 point don't really matter that much. Even with a loader on you won't be able to use that hitch capacity unless you get a big bucket of dirt first. My snowblower is a big side chute model Normand that sticks way back, with blower raised the tires barely touch the ground, can't steer on snow unless you fill the bucket. Everything else big I have for the 3 point is barely usable on the small tractor.

As an example my KV AB85 spring reset plow below. Hitches up fine, tractor lifts it without sweat. Front tires barely touching ground, no where near enough tractor to use the plow.

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Below the blower. I use the blower about 80-100 hours per winter and it runs well, just heavy.

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Nice pictures but I disagree. In addition to the example I already gave, consider this: your snow blower looks heavy. What if your tractor did not have enough three point lift to lift it up in the first place? You would need to step down to the next smaller size blower. Or, what if your tractor could barely lift it, but mine could handle it with ease... not considering front ballast, just considering lift strength. Mechanically, your three point system would most likely wear out before mine would... or some other stress applied to a different point would present itself.

If we were both bodybuilders or weight lifters, and we were both attempting to pick up a weight off the floor and curl it.... the same dynamics would apply. If my personal weight lift rating was 200 pounds, and yours was 150, and we were both lifting 150 pounds multiple times... you would reach the point of fatigue, stress, or injury before I would.

 

[TYM Tractors]

Nice pictures but I disagree. In addition to the example I already gave, consider this: your snow blower looks heavy. What if your tractor did not have enough three point lift to lift it up in the first place? You would need to step down to the next smaller size blower. Or, what if your tractor could barely lift it, but mine could handle it with ease... not considering front ballast, just considering lift strength. Mechanically, your three point system would most likely wear out before mine would... or some other stress applied to a different point would present itself.

If we were both bodybuilders or weight lifters, and we were both attempting to pick up a weight off the floor and curl it.... the same dynamics would apply. If my personal weight lift rating was 200 pounds, and yours was 150, and we were both lifting 150 pounds multiple times... you would reach the point of fatigue, stress, or injury before I would.

Enjoyed the analogy towards the end. You're absolutely correct, in my opinion.

 

[GManBart]

Anyhow, while both my LS R4047 and my new Massey 1648 cab handle the blade ... the Massey handles lifting it much easier. Not that the LS strained, but i could definitely feel it when I lifted it. The Massey on the other hand, lifts it without even feeling it. It's a noticeable difference.

Might not ever matter... or it could matter in the long term. Like anything else, using something to the end of its limits might have long term consequences, vs using it within its comfort zone with room to spare.

Since it's sort of apples-to-oranges, it could also be the extra 5" of wheelbase and several hundred pounds heavier that the Massey has going for it, on top of a somewhat more powerful 3pt system. The 4047 is listed at a bit over 2,700lbs, so I don't think it's getting even close to the end of its limits with a 1,000lb blade (even with much of the weight being farther than 24" from the 3pt ball ends).

With everything I welded onto my counterweight, it's right at 1,400lbs, and my 4047 handles it easily...it's probably 12" behind the ball ends, so that helps, but you'd never know how heavy it is by the way the tractor moves, sounds, or looks.

 

[Green Power]

Nice pictures but I disagree. In addition to the example I already gave, consider this: your snow blower looks heavy. What if your tractor did not have enough three point lift to lift it up in the first place? You would need to step down to the next smaller size blower. Or, what if your tractor could barely lift it, but mine could handle it with ease... not considering front ballast, just considering lift strength. Mechanically, your three point system would most likely wear out before mine would... or some other stress applied to a different point would present itself.

If we were both bodybuilders or weight lifters, and we were both attempting to pick up a weight off the floor and curl it.... the same dynamics would apply. If my personal weight lift rating was 200 pounds, and yours was 150, and we were both lifting 150 pounds multiple times... you would reach the point of fatigue, stress, or injury before I would.

Very well said. The more reserve, the longer the tractor or person or whatever else will last.

 

[rmorey]

I believe I'm in the who cares camp. :confused3: Whether you have a 3,000 lb or 4,000 lb capacity, is it not irrelevant if you are lifting an 800 lb snowblower, or a 1,500 lb ballast? I think that most of these tractors have sufficient 3pt lift capacity to handle most implements (given proper sizing).

I don't think anyone is talking about pulling a 20' batwing with a 1,200 lb scut size tractor.

If you have too much weight on the rear (defined by lack of steering), such as a winch hauling a hitch of maple logs in tree length, pick up a 500 lb rock with the fel and away you go. Just like you would if you had an fel with tremendous lift capacity (Kioti KL401 loader will lift the rear tires completely off the ground), you add ballast to the rear. :thumbsup:

 

[lt190b]

TSO. In your comparisons, do you remember if the joystick control is in the base price of these tractors? My reason for my question, I dont need the loader, only the hydraulic control, for front blade. I thought it would be better to ask these questions in this thread as in the Tier 4 thread. lt190b

 

[TSO]

TSO. In your comparisons, do you remember if the joystick control is in the base price of these tractors? My reason for my question, I dont need the loader, only the hydraulic control, for front blade. I thought it would be better to ask these questions in this thread as in the Tier 4 thread. lt190b

I'm assuming the joystick gets installed with the loader. Just a guess tho

 

[rmorey]

TSO. In your comparisons, do you remember if the joystick control is in the base price of these tractors? My reason for my question, I dont need the loader, only the hydraulic control, for front blade. I thought it would be better to ask these questions in this thread as in the Tier 4 thread. lt190b

I was at the dealership the other day, there was a tractor without a loader and there was no joystick, so TSO's assumption is probably correct.

 

[GreenWannabe]

It depends on the tractor, I think that some do. Some others, like JD, offer it as an option.