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- 22 SANY SY 50U, '10 Kioti DK 40se/hst KL-401 FEL, loaded tires, KB-2485 bhoe, Tuffline TB160 BB, Woods QA forks, MIE Hydraulic bhoe thumb & ripper tooth, Igland 4001 winch, & GR-20 Log Grapple. Woods BBX72" Brush Mower. Diamondplate aluminum canopy
Another issue that pertains to this discussion is the fuel additive / fuel quality debate. IPs are close tolerance precision parts that work well when made from the highest quality materials and close inspection of their manufacturing process, to insure few if any defects. Coupled with the ULSD fuels available to the public these days any variation in material workmanship, or the possible expectation on the part of the pump manufacturer that the end user will supply lubricity via additives can make the wheels fall off the wagon. I surmise that the pump manufacturer and Kioti /Bobcat, etc. know exactly what is happening and for whatever reason look away when things go wrong, especially off warranty or at low hours on any machine they sell.
Suppose, as some have said that the problem is gears made from too hard a material. That can be remedied fairly easily- but then one doesn't sell as many pumps. Though selling more pumps is a double edged sword- defective parts are a source of more part sales BUT the ones replaced under warranty are in theory charged back to the pump manufacturer from the tractor manufacturer and both can suffer a resulting bad reputation for having problematic parts that render the customer unlikely to be brand loyal. This is bad for business. This is where I fall down in understanding the mentality that allows quality to suffer at the expense of customer satisfaction. I get the whole, look at the economy and the cost of manufacturing and competition scenario, but if one makes a better product that is less likely to break, and builds a solid reputation for reliability, then this company will win out in the short and long run by selling more product and building their reputation one loyal customer at a time.
Bottom line for me is maybe the use of a lubricity additive is necessary to keep marginally quality parts from locking up like the IP racks that sometimes jam, but it will not cure erroneous material choices that fail due to being too hard or brittle to withstand the pumps internal movements.
So until Bosch/Doosan and or Kioti put their collective brains on this problem we'll all be walking on eggshells around our IPs hoping the warranty clock doesn't time out before a possible failure, and huge expense.
I say BOGUS to Kioti and Bosch/Doosan. FIX IT!
Suppose, as some have said that the problem is gears made from too hard a material. That can be remedied fairly easily- but then one doesn't sell as many pumps. Though selling more pumps is a double edged sword- defective parts are a source of more part sales BUT the ones replaced under warranty are in theory charged back to the pump manufacturer from the tractor manufacturer and both can suffer a resulting bad reputation for having problematic parts that render the customer unlikely to be brand loyal. This is bad for business. This is where I fall down in understanding the mentality that allows quality to suffer at the expense of customer satisfaction. I get the whole, look at the economy and the cost of manufacturing and competition scenario, but if one makes a better product that is less likely to break, and builds a solid reputation for reliability, then this company will win out in the short and long run by selling more product and building their reputation one loyal customer at a time.
Bottom line for me is maybe the use of a lubricity additive is necessary to keep marginally quality parts from locking up like the IP racks that sometimes jam, but it will not cure erroneous material choices that fail due to being too hard or brittle to withstand the pumps internal movements.
So until Bosch/Doosan and or Kioti put their collective brains on this problem we'll all be walking on eggshells around our IPs hoping the warranty clock doesn't time out before a possible failure, and huge expense.
I say BOGUS to Kioti and Bosch/Doosan. FIX IT!