Ford 3000 New Carb, seems Governor isn't kicking in

   / Ford 3000 New Carb, seems Governor isn't kicking in #11  
ps.. 158 should be the gasser.. and 175 a diesel.

on a 4000 I believe the gasser was a 192, and the diesel a 201.

rickb will likely know more about those 65+ machines.

soundguy
 
   / Ford 3000 New Carb, seems Governor isn't kicking in
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#12  
Is that done my turning the main jet screw in or out ? It almost felt like it came pretty far out. The spring was pretty loose and I could turn it with my hand.

Thanks for all the feedback, appreciate it.
 
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Took the hour drive to where I keep the tractor to try again.

There is really only one accessible adjustment screw other than the one on the idle stop.

Its on the throat that leads to the mounting plate.

Out of the box it was pretty loose, but I tightened it yesterday a little. Today with the tractor running, I turned it all the way in as tight as it would go. I sort of expected it to conk out, but it didn't. I backed it off 1-1/4 turns and went for a ride.

Still feels like it doesn't have all the higher end horse power as it used to and the governor didn't kick it under a load, but it seemed to do better than yesterday. Good enough to start the spring food plots.

When I got home, my wife failed to mention the shop manual came yesterday. Would have been nice to have that with me. Its really didn't have much if any carb adjustment info , but it did have a page on the governor. It showed a little screw on the governor arm called "high idle adjustment screw" and also walked through how to adjust the arm it self. Sounds like everything I had done before to lengthen the arm so the wide open throttle pushed the governor rod to the max float stop, was correct. But I didn't know about the high idle screw adjustment.

By the way, I did test it today to see if the choke made any difference under a load. It didn't , I didn't notice any change in performance by opening the choke 1/2 way and as I opened more it started to conk out.
 
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just out of curiosity; what are spark plugs looking like? gray, white, brown, black. And have you checked the timing?
 
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I'd say a darker grey than anything, but not wet or caked, they looked pretty good but, new plugs came with the tune up kit I guess I could put them in.

I haven't checked the timing since all was working fine before the new carb.

The full story is when I went to crank it this spring it would turn over but no spark/crank. I thought it was coil because I had 12v at the coil + but only 8.6ish when using the coil ground. Apparently thats normal since there is resistance going through the coil. I replaced the coil and it didn't help so I went to the carb and distributor. I got a carb rebuild kit and it didn't help. The points on the distributor looked really good so I just changed the condenser. No help. The roter and cap looked new so I skipped them (bad idea). After getting shocked at the coil testing a plug on the center wire (read about that test online) I decided the coil was good. For kicks I pulled the rotor that was shiny black and noticed the brass nub that touches each point was worn. I compared it to the new one that came with the kit and the new one looked longer. Put it on and it cranked right up. The entire problem was a bad $5 rotor.

Went for a ride to disc a plot and 100 yrds from the shed it died. The only way to get it back to the shed was with the choke all the way out. Pretty clear it was the carb and odds were high in my head I had screwed it up with the rebuild. So having spent 3 weeks on it, I just bought a new carb.

Installed it, cranked right up and runs what seems like perfect other than under a heavy load it seems to have lost some horse power and the governor doesn't kick in like it used to.

Here is one more thing, could it be an issue ?

I used the fuel line from the old carb hookup, its a flanged metal line with a 90 bend at the hook up so it can run back toward the tank. It won't fit tight because when its fully tight it points the line at 45 vs 90. So I can wiggle it. Its NOT leaking fuel, but could it be sucking air ?

I would think if it was starving for fuel it would more spit and sputter but it really just bogs down under load and no governor kick in. But then again my thinking got me in trouble a few times already.:D

My main focus now is how to change the mixture on a Zenith 13913 , other than the slow idle stop screw, I only see one screw that looks like an adjustment screw. Its on the throat and goes through a spring. It really doesn't seem to have much impact on anything as it changed. I ended up going all the way in then back out 1 1/4. I can't tell if its an air adjustment or a fuel adjustment, but I was expecting material changes all the way in or all the way out and there wasn't.

$5 rotor can kick your tail.

Thanks for all the feedback and reading the saga.
 
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I'll have to let someone like rick tell you how to set that zenith for the 000 series. I don't own a gasser 000.

soundguy
 
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I sent a note to the place I bought it from asking for a diagram so I knew what screw did what.

They said it comes set from the factory, but all the way in and 3/4 out should do it. Which is odd since was like 2 turns out when it came.
 
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good luck with it.

soundguy
 
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Did you ever figure out what the problem was? I have the same problem
 
 
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