alchemysa
Veteran Member
It'll be no surprise that petrol prices are on my mind (and everyone else's) so I decided to take another look at the 'gas from water' idea. Believe me, I'm a sceptic, and I don't hoax easy, so I didnt go into this too starry eyed, but I did read enough initially to at least think there may be something worth investigating.
I wasn't interested in reading rubbish published by internet promoters trying to make a killing out of this (there are plenty of those and most of them ARE scammers) but I did want to read what the backyarders are up to.
My research took me through countless blogs and eventually to a yahoo group with 12,000 members (or maybe they are just 'lookers') and 35,000 messages. Theres a lot of loose ends (and loose brains) among the files but scattered among the messages were a few bits and pieces that were hard to totally dismiss.
A point worth mentioning here is that almost no-one on this group is trying to make a car that runs totally on water. (They're not THAT crazy). They are mainly just trying to improve the performance of the petrol engine by adding a little hydrogen and oxygen gas through the air intake. Most of you will be well aware that hydrogen and oxygen are easily extracted from water by electrolysis, and you were probably totally underwhelmed by the sight of a few tiny little bubbles coming off the electrodes in school science classes.
But what may surprise you now is that these guys in this group are making pretty simple, cheap, 'under the hood' systems that they claim are producing nearly 2 litres of hydrogen/oxygen gas per minute! Now, as a combustion additive to a system, I think thats starting to become a rather significant amount. MPG improvements of 10-20% were commonly claimed. (And at todays gas prices I'm suddenly more open minded about this.).
I think we've all heard a dozen good reasons why this CAN'T possibly work but before commenting I urge you to spend a few minutes looking through the attachments. The pdf titled 'Chapter10 p1-55' would be a good place to start. This is from the files of the Yahoo group and if it doesn't give you pause for thought I'll be disappointed. If nothing else, it shows some of these guys are dedicated.
I certainly haven't made my mind up about this yet but I'm interested to hear CONSIDERED OPINIONS from you guys. I'd especially like to hear from anyone who has actually tried it.
watercar : Daniel Dingel's Hydrogen-Powered Car
(The 'Smack' system seems to be the best documented and tested system).
I wasn't interested in reading rubbish published by internet promoters trying to make a killing out of this (there are plenty of those and most of them ARE scammers) but I did want to read what the backyarders are up to.
My research took me through countless blogs and eventually to a yahoo group with 12,000 members (or maybe they are just 'lookers') and 35,000 messages. Theres a lot of loose ends (and loose brains) among the files but scattered among the messages were a few bits and pieces that were hard to totally dismiss.
A point worth mentioning here is that almost no-one on this group is trying to make a car that runs totally on water. (They're not THAT crazy). They are mainly just trying to improve the performance of the petrol engine by adding a little hydrogen and oxygen gas through the air intake. Most of you will be well aware that hydrogen and oxygen are easily extracted from water by electrolysis, and you were probably totally underwhelmed by the sight of a few tiny little bubbles coming off the electrodes in school science classes.
But what may surprise you now is that these guys in this group are making pretty simple, cheap, 'under the hood' systems that they claim are producing nearly 2 litres of hydrogen/oxygen gas per minute! Now, as a combustion additive to a system, I think thats starting to become a rather significant amount. MPG improvements of 10-20% were commonly claimed. (And at todays gas prices I'm suddenly more open minded about this.).
I think we've all heard a dozen good reasons why this CAN'T possibly work but before commenting I urge you to spend a few minutes looking through the attachments. The pdf titled 'Chapter10 p1-55' would be a good place to start. This is from the files of the Yahoo group and if it doesn't give you pause for thought I'll be disappointed. If nothing else, it shows some of these guys are dedicated.
I certainly haven't made my mind up about this yet but I'm interested to hear CONSIDERED OPINIONS from you guys. I'd especially like to hear from anyone who has actually tried it.
watercar : Daniel Dingel's Hydrogen-Powered Car
(The 'Smack' system seems to be the best documented and tested system).