Tractor Sizing GUIDE: Shopping/Sizing A Tractor (Version 1.0)

   / GUIDE: Shopping/Sizing A Tractor (Version 1.0) #61  
Post 59 referenced "cheater" engines, when this remark was referenced in post 60, there was a SUDDEN EDIT to post 59. A screenshot clarifies the discrepancy. Copy of original post # 59 was deleted however another cheater reference exists. That post was also later (edited) scrubbed of the cheather reference.
 

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   / GUIDE: Shopping/Sizing A Tractor (Version 1.0) #62  
A valuable tool for any tractor buyer is TRACTOR Data .Com. One member in the forums quotes data from this website constantly.

The site owner provides an invaluable tool for TBN members and the entire tractor owning, or contemplating owning general public

I can attest that the owner READS every e mail sent to him, personally. That is dedication, That is commendable. Thank you Peter.
 
   / GUIDE: Shopping/Sizing A Tractor (Version 1.0) #63  
A valuable tool for any tractor buyer is TRACTOR Data .Com. One member in the forums quotes data from this website constantly.

The site owner provides an invaluable tool for TBN members and the entire tractor owning, or contemplating owning general public

I can attest that the owner READS every e mail sent to him, personally. That is dedication, That is commendable. Thank you Peter.

I couldn't agree more. :thumbsup:
 
   / GUIDE: Shopping/Sizing A Tractor (Version 1.0) #65  
What jeff fails to note is that low sulfur content deprives all diesel engines, w/o regard for tier rating, the Lubricity necessary to reduce unnecessary engine friction.

As engines mature beyond 2011, increased cylinder sleeve wear is recognized directly attributable to the sulfur reduction, Lubricity additives to fuel can effectively reduce this wear)

That information is supposition propaganda manufactured by the sales and marketing arms of the fuel additive industry, aka mouse milk peddlers.

The sulfur reduction actually reduces engine wear, especially in cold operating conditions. Sulfur in the fuel lends itself to the production of sulfuric acid under conditions where there is water vapor (condensation), or cold start. The sulfuric acid attackerç—´ the piston rings and cylinder walls, leading to micro corrosion, and eventually component wear.
 
   / GUIDE: Shopping/Sizing A Tractor (Version 1.0) #66  
finn,
First the sarcastic reference to lubricity additives does NOT enhance the argument. Kindly provide some documentation that sulfur accelerates engine wear in any climate condition, hot or cold? All diesel engines experience "wear" during a cold start. Understand why firms such as Eberspacher are popular w/ many large diesel owners, both on and off road.

Your post doesn't address the "wear" issue, instead it deviates off topic to an elusive sulfuric acid tangent. If there is moisture or water in the diesel, that is a fuel management issue. Examine one fact. Sulfur content in diesel fuel spans many decades, millions of on road miles and also millions of off road operating hours. If sulfur were a deleterious agent, the public would have clamored for removal ages ago.

But since you raise the moisture issue, here is a low sulfur tangible situation. "Sulfur was the natural inhibitor of microbial growth" in diesel fuel. In any sizable fuel storage system, larger that the 5 gallon can, water exists to some degree. Fungus, mold, and bacteria live in the water and diesel fuel is the food source. Now re-read the sentence above!!

The secretions (WASTE) from these tank pests plugged fuel filters among other problems.

Another issue arose. It centered around fuel delivery. DO YOU know exactly how fuel was delivered to your tank or fueling station? Few do. So it is transported by truck, rail, and pipeline. The same vessels that also frequently transport gasoline w/ ethanol . A study by the Clean Diesel Fuel Alliance found that small amounts of Ethal Gasoline was contributing to bacterial contamination in diesel fuel.

This bacteria is called Acetobacter. This bacteria thrives on ethanol and in a diesel environment, produces Acetic Acid which attacked steel tanks, fuel pumps and piping . PH levels were in the 2.5 range.


So now, in current ULSD storage, a biocide agent is necessary to combat this aggressive bacteria. Any NO amount of water in the tank bottom is acceptable. So what did the study conclude? Yes, of course, Sulfur is a bacteria inhibitor and Sulfur levels kept the microbial growth to a minimum. So please elaborate how the sulfur removal enhanced diesel fuel storage, engine fuel lubricity, and promoted engine health longevity?. It has improved the environment, UNDISPUTED, and positive. BUT, there is an old yet relative proverb,

DO NOT THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER, truer words..... The above issue is much more complex than examined here, but this highlighted summary touches upon just some of the consequences of sulfur removal from diesel fuel.
 
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WORKING DRAFT (7.3)​

The fundamental importance of TRACTOR WEIGHT eludes many tractor shoppers. Heavier tractor chassis weight is more important for most tractor operations than increased tractor horsepower. Bare tractor weight is a tractor specification easily found in sales brochures and web sites, readily comparable across tractor brands and tractor models, new and used. The most efficient way to shop for tractors is to list tractor applications first, then determine bare tractor weight needed to safely accomplish your tasks.

Within subcompact and compact tractor categories, bare tractor weight must increase 50% before you notice a significant tractor capability increase. It takes a 100% increase in bare tractor weight to elicit MY-OH-MY!

Shop your weight range within tractor brands. Budget will eliminate some choices. Collect a dealer brochure for each tractor model in your weight range. I spreadsheet tractor and implement specs, often a revealing exercise. I have a column for cost per pound.

Most tractors under 3,000 pounds bare weight operate in residential or hobby farm applications on one to ten flat acres. Subcompact and compact tractors under 3,000 pounds will enter a residential garage with typical 84" door height.

Selling a used tractor is easy. Selling multiple light implements in order to buy heavier, wider implements for a heavier tractor requires a lot of time. Depreciation on implements is generally greater than depreciation on a tractor.

Tractors over 3,000 pounds bare weight are generally offered in a utilitarian configuration and a deluxe configuration. Deluxe kit enhances productivity and operating comfort ~~~ but you must pay. Most tractors over 3,000 pounds bare weight are too tall to fit through an 84" height garage door, even with ROPS folded.

Heavier tractors are built on larger frames with larger wheels/tires. A heavier tractor with large diameter tires has more tractive power pulling ground contact implements, pushing a loader bucket into dirt and pushing snow. Large wheels and tires increase ground clearance, enabling a heavier tractor to bridge holes, ruts and downed tree limbs with less bucking and disturbance operating over rough pasture and woodland.



Safe hillside operation demands more tractor weight than level land operation. Heavier tractors have adjustable rear wheel spreads; wide rear wheel spreads hugely improve tractor stability. Four wheel drive is essential on hillsides. Four wheel drive supplies increased traction. When descending slopes 4-WD augments rear brakes as tractor weight shifts forward, decreasing rear tire grip.

Tractors optimized for hill work have liquid installed in the rear tires rather than air. "Loaded" tires are filled 50% to 75% with liquid, which lowers the tractor's center-of-gravity, increasing rollover resistance. "Loading" two compact tractor rear tires will increase tractor weight 300 pounds to 800 pounds over weight of identical two tires inflated with air.



A quality dealer, reasonably close, available for coaching, is important for tractor neophytes. Almost every new tractor is delivered with a glitch or two requiring correction. My kubota dealer is six miles away. I feel my local dealer continues to add value to my equipment. Dealer proximity is less important to those experienced with tractors and qualified to perform their own maintenance.

BUY ENOUGH TRACTOR.​
 
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   / GUIDE: Shopping/Sizing A Tractor (Version 1.0) #69  
Jeffy's whole theme should be labeled "BUY TOO MUCH TRACTOR". If one researches his previous failed attempt at this skewed and biased thread, he received substantial push back from folks that purchased a smaller, lighter tractor and were thrilled w/ the result.

To truly ascertain the validity of this obsessive weight fetish, one need only look at the specification column where the tractor is disected by cost per pound? Perhaps someone is spending too much time in their Whole Foods Store.

There is a place for larger heavy tractors. There is an equally important niche for SCUTS. The OP completely and misleadingly ignores the latter.

Further, the tractor neophyte reference is condescending and downright insulting. Few tractor purchases are essential, but rather discretionary. Suggests buyer has some degree of financial success. and intelligence. If these folks are so inept and unqualified to purchase a tractor, how on earth did they manage the purchase of a home (or two?), automobiles, perhaps a boat, computer, large screen TV, or even underwear.?

Much as it might disappoint the OP, this thread is simply an opinion, to be weighed against all the other opinions and market forces on T-B-N and the many other arenas that may or may NOT influence a tractor purchase.

EDIT:

Post #11 offers an excellent counter-perspective. Certainly worth attention.

jeffy claims he put 500 hrs on a previous tractor, Many folks operate a tractor 100 hrs annually or less.
So can needs and tasks change five years hence? Does everyone purchase the same automobile after 5 years use? Should one purchase a one ton duel wheel pick up because one day they may one day own a 5th wheel camper.

BUY TOO MUCH TRACTOR, even if it is NOT necessary.

A different perspective.
 
   / GUIDE: Shopping/Sizing A Tractor (Version 1.0) #70  
I think your connection between weight and safety\stability is not valid at all.. or really even your hyper focus on weight as a significant buying factor. It's more about balance, proper ballast, etc. You need weighti n the right places, not just tonnage. Wheel spacers are known to make a HUGE stability difference and are much more effective than simply having more weight. dollars\pound is a terrible way to buy a tractor.

Messick's is a valued and revered informational source on TBN.
 
 
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