Hypro Roller Pumps

[Pooh_Bear]

I have been looking at Hypro Roller Pumps on Ebay.
Seems I can get one for cheap there.

The Sequatchie River forms the Eastern border of our property.
I would like to pump water from the river up to the house.
Mostly to water the garden and some trees and fill a small pool.
I have enough pipe to go to the river. 500 feet.
And I have a big electric pump. But no power at the river.
Could I use a Hypro pump for this. How much suction does one have.
I can get within 15 feet of the water with about 3 to 4 feet elevation.
Will a hypro pump suck water that far. Then push it another 20 feet vertically.
My only other options are an expensive generator or expensive wiring to go that far.
Those aren't really options for me.

My electric pump is 220v and pulls 9 amps. Distance from house is 500 feet.
What would that be, #6 AWG wire? How about 2 runs of 12-2/w ground.
I could parellel the black wires and the white wires and the neutral wires.
Would that work to run the pump. I got plenty of 12-2 romex laying around.

Any other ideas. Doesn't have to meet code. Just has to work.
I can't leave the pump down at the river permanently. It would get stolen.
So this will be one of those deals where I plug it up and run it,
then unhook it and bring the pump back to the shed till it is needed again.

If a Hypro water pump would work for this that would simplify matters greatly.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

 

[DavidPerry]

Are you talking about a pto driven roller pump vs an electrical centrifugal pump?

Here is a manual on hypro roller pumps.

http://www.rittenhouse.ca/content/attach_files/Roller_Pumps_Hypro.pdf

I believe a roller pump will pull up to 11' suction. 3' should be safe. You could always put a back flow preventer in the line to make certain it did not loose suction.

 

[Pooh_Bear]

Yes, I'm thinking of a PTO driven pump.
I could bury pipe down to the river.
Then just drive the tractor down there when I need water.
Hook it up and let it sit for about 30 minutes or so.
Fill up a resevoir or storage tanks or my pool.
Then unhook it and bring the tractor home.

I'll check out the link you provided.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

 

[chadincolo]

I'm pretty sure a roller pump won't pull a suction, it will need to be primed, and I don't know how much it will pull for elevation. As far as pushing water 500 feet, 20 feet elevation change, depends on the size of the pipe, but it shouldn't be a problem. Other option is, find a PTO driven irrigation pump. Usually mounted on a trailer with a long tongue, back into the water, turn on the PTO and there you go.

As a side note, do you have water rights? Are you legally able to pull water out of that river? Here in Colorado (I know it varies by state), if you don't own the water rights (bordering the river or not makes no difference, water rights are separate from access rights) and start pulling, you are in for one hell of a big fight...

 

[sandman2234]

One of the guys I work with built a pump similar to what Chadincolo discribed.
He said it would move many,many gallons per minute. They used it to drain ponds so they could enlarge them, or just clean them out. Mounted on a two wheeled trailer with a long tongue, long pto shaft.
David from jax

 

[DavidPerry]

It does not take a very large centrifugal pump to move 300 gpm. The ones I've seen trailer mounted were much larger. A centrifugal pump is not self priming.

http://www.gatorpump.com/products.htm

 

[DavidPerry]

It does not take a very large centrifugal pump to move 300 gpm. The ones I've seen trailer mounted were much larger. A centrifugal pump is not self priming.

http://www.gatorpump.com/products.htm

 

[DavidPerry]

Types of Pumps

A pump is either a positive displacement or nonpositive displacement type. A positive displacement pump discharges a specific volume of liquid with each stroke or revolution. A pressure-relief valve or pressure control device must be used to by-pass liquid not being used in the spray operation back to the supply tank. A positive displacement pump also draws a low vacuum and, therefore, does not require filling the pump or placing it below the tank level to prime it. Piston, gear, and roller type pumps are positive displacement pumps.

http://www.abe.iastate.edu/machinery/pm1101b.asp

 

[Pooh_Bear]

Water rights are not an issue around here.

Today I set up a very small electric pump and used it to pump water.
Similar to this pump:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479

I set it up at the river and ran it off an inverter connected to the tractor.
Getting the pump primed was extremely hard to do.
And this was not in the least bit conveniant to do.

I like the long trailer idea. Mount a pump and back it into the river.
That sounds real interesting. Have to give that idea some thought.

I have a huge sump pump. But no way to get electric that far.
My pump is the 4290. Paid $20 for it out the classifieds.
http://www.zoeller.com/zcopump/products/agricultural/agricultural.htm
Just can't afford to run electric wire that far.

Pooh Bear

 

[DavidPerry]

If you plan on a centrifugal pump on a trailer, remember the impellers should be turning around 4500 rpm ( check with the vendor ) so you will need to step up from the pto speed.

A roller pump is targetted for low flow, usually under 20 gpm, and mid - high pressure up to 150 psi. At .4 psi / ft of elevation you could push a small amount of water around 75 ft.