Maine_Polack
Gold Member
Putting this post here cause the original "Keeping out the Idiots" post was here, and received many replys.
Had a new neighbor move in about 5 years ago. He likes to fly his plane, and has a field to land it in.
My problem with him is that he insists on flying directly over my house when he lands...at an altitude of not more than 75 feet high, and repeating this actiion a couple or three times. After a few of these episodes I went and paid him a visit. I thought I was quite reasonable when I talked to him. I explained that I though it was akin to tresspassing and an invasion of my privacy. Not to mention completely unsafe.
He was not receptive to my speech. His response was that he did have another way to land, and could try it. But...he also added in a somewhat patronizing tone that his field was officially an airport, and that he went though all the requirements to make this happen, so he couldn't be bothered by neighbors. In other words - buzz off!.
He continued to buzz my house, and upped the ante, so to speak. He would now make numerous passed above my house...5-8. Just buzzing over, going out of sight beyond the trees, and many times not landing at all, but pulling up and making a large circle to do it again.
I might add that he would also occasionally approach my house very quietly, (gliding?), and then gun the engine when directly over my house. It was on a Sunday morning that he did this manuver again. Well the night before my granddaughter, an infant, was up virtually all night, sick and crying. When his engine hit it lifted everyone in the house, and of course the baby included..who had finally fallen asleep only a short time before. I was not happy.
This was in 2007. I call the FAA, and voiced my concerns to a receptionist, who said she would forward them to the proper people. Never heard back from them, but his "landing manuvers" did stop for a while. I figured that the FAA, perhaps had a phone conversation with him.
So, his landings were taking a different direction..I was happy. Didn't make sense to me anyway, because when he took off he was approx. 90 degrees from the angle of flying over my house. If he could take off that way, why not land also. Also might add that he seems to only fly in good weather, so I don't believe that wind is a factor.
Well he started again last year, buzzing my house, and as previously stated not even landing on many occasions. This year had virtually a repeat performance of the Sunday morning thing. My daughter was visiting and started being bothered by a whole lot of pain. Turned out to be a kidney stone, and she finally went to the emergency room in the middle of the night. So, she was sleeping with the aid of drugs, being totally wiped out from the night before.
When he came over, he pulled the same engine noise directly over the house routine....
Now, I don't want to start WWIII with this guy. Thought I was very reasonable when I talked to him. No yelling or threatening. However his actions have been making me angry for some time, and this latest, I felt, was, affecting my family...I was really angry. I live out in the sticks, and there is all kind of room on both sides of my house.
So, before I do something foolish, I settled down and on Monday called the FAA again. Explained the situation again. Had a call back from an investigator...
Well, she called him apparently, and he said that my house was directly in the path of his landing approach...BullHockey! But she bought it, and callled me to tell me that I had to be reasonable, and when landing, a plane couldn't make abrupt direction changes. Very patronizing. And it turns out that she had looked at Google Earth to get the logistics. However, after some questions from me, it was determined that she never entered my address, and had actually only entered his residence, (which is at least 1/4 mile away), and was using this as a reference. Also when she realized her mistake, she became a slight bit testy. Now wants me to draw her a picture as to what is taking place.
In my first conversation with her, she had mentioned that she probably would have to come up and see things for herself. This is what I think she should do. But after buying into his load of crap on the phone, it was obviouse to me that now I was a pesky, complaining neighbor, who was way off base and just didn't understand things. And this despite her using the wrong address for a reference.
Well she is gone this week, and will return next week. I would very much like her to come here and see thing for herself...
I might add that I have taken pictures, but the investigator was not interested in them. It is very hard to get the true effect with these pictures.
What, if any, suggestions, arguments, ideas, or tactics could I use to convince her that I have a ligit complaint?
I ask, because I don't know much about flying and thought perhaps someone experienced could chime in and give me an advantage in dealing with this situatiion. I don't want to loose this argument....
Thanks all,
Al
Had a new neighbor move in about 5 years ago. He likes to fly his plane, and has a field to land it in.
My problem with him is that he insists on flying directly over my house when he lands...at an altitude of not more than 75 feet high, and repeating this actiion a couple or three times. After a few of these episodes I went and paid him a visit. I thought I was quite reasonable when I talked to him. I explained that I though it was akin to tresspassing and an invasion of my privacy. Not to mention completely unsafe.
He was not receptive to my speech. His response was that he did have another way to land, and could try it. But...he also added in a somewhat patronizing tone that his field was officially an airport, and that he went though all the requirements to make this happen, so he couldn't be bothered by neighbors. In other words - buzz off!.
He continued to buzz my house, and upped the ante, so to speak. He would now make numerous passed above my house...5-8. Just buzzing over, going out of sight beyond the trees, and many times not landing at all, but pulling up and making a large circle to do it again.
I might add that he would also occasionally approach my house very quietly, (gliding?), and then gun the engine when directly over my house. It was on a Sunday morning that he did this manuver again. Well the night before my granddaughter, an infant, was up virtually all night, sick and crying. When his engine hit it lifted everyone in the house, and of course the baby included..who had finally fallen asleep only a short time before. I was not happy.
This was in 2007. I call the FAA, and voiced my concerns to a receptionist, who said she would forward them to the proper people. Never heard back from them, but his "landing manuvers" did stop for a while. I figured that the FAA, perhaps had a phone conversation with him.
So, his landings were taking a different direction..I was happy. Didn't make sense to me anyway, because when he took off he was approx. 90 degrees from the angle of flying over my house. If he could take off that way, why not land also. Also might add that he seems to only fly in good weather, so I don't believe that wind is a factor.
Well he started again last year, buzzing my house, and as previously stated not even landing on many occasions. This year had virtually a repeat performance of the Sunday morning thing. My daughter was visiting and started being bothered by a whole lot of pain. Turned out to be a kidney stone, and she finally went to the emergency room in the middle of the night. So, she was sleeping with the aid of drugs, being totally wiped out from the night before.
When he came over, he pulled the same engine noise directly over the house routine....
Now, I don't want to start WWIII with this guy. Thought I was very reasonable when I talked to him. No yelling or threatening. However his actions have been making me angry for some time, and this latest, I felt, was, affecting my family...I was really angry. I live out in the sticks, and there is all kind of room on both sides of my house.
So, before I do something foolish, I settled down and on Monday called the FAA again. Explained the situation again. Had a call back from an investigator...
Well, she called him apparently, and he said that my house was directly in the path of his landing approach...BullHockey! But she bought it, and callled me to tell me that I had to be reasonable, and when landing, a plane couldn't make abrupt direction changes. Very patronizing. And it turns out that she had looked at Google Earth to get the logistics. However, after some questions from me, it was determined that she never entered my address, and had actually only entered his residence, (which is at least 1/4 mile away), and was using this as a reference. Also when she realized her mistake, she became a slight bit testy. Now wants me to draw her a picture as to what is taking place.
In my first conversation with her, she had mentioned that she probably would have to come up and see things for herself. This is what I think she should do. But after buying into his load of crap on the phone, it was obviouse to me that now I was a pesky, complaining neighbor, who was way off base and just didn't understand things. And this despite her using the wrong address for a reference.
Well she is gone this week, and will return next week. I would very much like her to come here and see thing for herself...
I might add that I have taken pictures, but the investigator was not interested in them. It is very hard to get the true effect with these pictures.
What, if any, suggestions, arguments, ideas, or tactics could I use to convince her that I have a ligit complaint?
I ask, because I don't know much about flying and thought perhaps someone experienced could chime in and give me an advantage in dealing with this situatiion. I don't want to loose this argument....
Thanks all,
Al
