But the point is they are breaking into the BX market with a B-sized machine. Not really an accurate comparison. I envision a customer looking at a Max, and listenting to a dealers sales pitch on it vs the BX, and then visiting the BX dealer and seeing how much bigger/stronger the max is. And at that moment, all a competent kubota salesman need to do is say "here, take a look at this B2620, it is closer to the size of the max"
Nothing against the Max, and I'm not saying its a bad tractor. I am saying that it is a deceptive marketing strategy. The max is more the size of the deere 2x20 and b2x20 series. If they want to build a SCUT to compete with the massey GC, deere 10 series, or BX, then do it honestly. All of these MFG's have those "competitive comparisons charts". And I dont see kubota saying how great a B is compared to a deere 10, no, they do it honestly and compare it to the 2x20.
And another final thought....someone looking for a Bx sized machine is probaball doing yard work. Mowing, mulching, etc. So is all that hyped "built in weight" and "heavier capacities" really a good thing?
LD1,
You know, words mean something, even when you are just behind a keyboard. "Dishonest", "deceptive", and in a later post, "shady" are words you use for Mahindra because they are defining the Max as a SCUT. I'd like to suggest, meaning no offense, that you are out of line if you really agree with what you have written. I think different words would have been better.
SCUT isn't clearly defined, and certainly not legally defined. If Mahindra feels a SCUT should be slightly bigger, so be it. They have listed the sizes and weights and other specs, and this is what a SCUT should be in our opinion. Kubota can define a SCUT differently if they like, and I won't slander them.
But I'd like your opinion. What do you think about the BX25 from a marketing perspective? They take a little 58 cu in engine, spin it to a screaming 3200 rpm and get 23HP from it. Then they call it a BX23? No, they call it a BX25! Is that deceptive in your opinion? The BX1860 is 18HP, the BX2360 is 23HP, and so on, so the Kubota customer would surely think the BX25 is 25HP. Let me know your thoughts on this.
LD1, I can see your points on the MAX series trying to redefine the SCUT market. You don't agree, and that is fine, but let's be careful. Differences in opinions are just fine, saying the other guy is dishonest is a little further down the path then I'd like to go.
Just for full disclosure, the Max 22 has a 68 cu in engine and is rated at 22HP at a leisurely 2500 rpm. The Max 25 has a 80 cu in engine rated at 25HP at 2500 rpm.
And your comment about weight is good. Some people need a light tractor. It depends on the intended use of the machine.