Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350

   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #51  
One thing that Eddie pointed out and Builder could probably extrapolate on is the insurance cost. I bought all the heavy equipment I needed to build my lake about 15 years ago and thought it was really handy to have the equipment around after I was finished. Unfortunately, just the cost of insuring either of my dump trucks made it unrealistic for me to keep either of them. <snip> Buying a proper sized trailer and an old tandem axle grain truck would likely be your least expensive route but insurance costs will still be high.

I run a pickup (2500 chevy), a Freightliner Columbia (semi) and a Mack tandem dump truck for my business.
They all cost about the same to insure.

the problem is that they are commercial, and commercial insurance costs about double what personal vehicle insurance costs.
Also, in commercial, the trailers aren't covered under the truck (as they are in personal world), so you get to pay still more for the trailer. (which isn't outrageous, it's just annoying.
 
   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #52  
Still to heavy for the "supertrucker" troopers:rolleyes:

How do you figure? My F-350 has a GVWR of 23,000#. Take a 5,000# trailer and throw the 10,000# dozer on it and you still have room to play with a truck that weighs in at 7,600# with me in it.

Chris
 
   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #53  
How do you figure? My F-350 has a GVWR of 23,000#. Take a 5,000# trailer and throw the 10,000# dozer on it and you still have room to play with a truck that weighs in at 7,600# with me in it.

Chris

Here........

the sooner we can get these "supertruckers" with their diesel pickups pulling 15K or more off the road, the better.
 
   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #54  
Putting a F450 or 550 rear axle, springs and dual rear wheels on a SRW F350 might get you out of one or two problems, but the door pillar sticker is still the door pillar sticker and that gets looked at by the folk in uniform.
You might be relatively safe to the rest of us, but still not safe from a whole list of potential fines and costs to have it properly moved from wherever you get stopped.
 
   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #55  
Here........

Thats a matter of opinion, and they have a saying about those. As long as its in the trucks limits then its legal and perfectly safe with a good operator behind the wheel.

I agree its still a F-350 at the end of the day no matter what type of tires, suspension, axles, air bags, ect it has and the GVWR is still the GVWR.

Chris
 
   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #56  
I run a pickup (2500 chevy), a Freightliner Columbia (semi) and a Mack tandem dump truck for my business.
They all cost about the same to insure.

the problem is that they are commercial, and commercial insurance costs about double what personal vehicle insurance costs.
Also, in commercial, the trailers aren't covered under the truck (as they are in personal world), so you get to pay still more for the trailer. (which isn't outrageous, it's just annoying.

I have 2 trucks privately insured and 2 trucks commercially insured and they cost almost exactly the same per year (about $800/yr).

I think it might vary from state to state.
 
   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #57  
Putting a F450 or 550 rear axle, springs and dual rear wheels on a SRW F350 might get you out of one or two problems, but the door pillar sticker is still the door pillar sticker and that gets looked at by the folk in uniform.
You might be relatively safe to the rest of us, but still not safe from a whole list of potential fines and costs to have it properly moved from wherever you get stopped.

And that's just it. That's the bottom line. It doesn't matter if you put Mack Tandems under a 350 pickup bed, it's still only as strong as the "weakest link in the chain". It doesn't matter what brand of truck it is, if the O/p pulls the weight he says he wants to pull in post #1, he's over on GCWR and probably rear axle capacity and a few other infractions.

"Beefing up" the suspension may truly make the truck handle weight better, but all the state police care about is maximum allowable gross combined weight rating of the truck from the manufacturer. "Let me see your registration & registration" is how the conversation starts. Next is "your registration exceeds your truck manufacturer's maximum GCWR". Then it's "you trailer must be offloaded or abandoned until you are within legal operating limits, so I'm putting you out of service". Then comes the penalty/fine part of the discussion. Not fun.

The other thing to remember is it's not just exceeding GCWR, you can be well under GCWR and still have an overloaded rear axle b/c the weight is too far forward on the trailer, or you have too much cargo weight in the bed, cargo not secured properly, defective equipment, etc.

For RV's, horse trailers & boats, it's simple-anybody is allowed to do basically whatever they want. For commercial towing, you need training, licensing, insurance, med cards, DOT #'s, inspections and be in compliance of weight limits & safety regulations or it's just a matter of time you'll be paying fines.
 
   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #58  
My line of thought has always been if you need to chip it, change the rear axle, add bigger springs, or put semi tires on your pickup you should have bought a bigger truck to start with as you still have the same brakes, frame transmission, drive shaft, and the biggest limiting factor is the guy behind the wheel that thinks it will do anything.

When I have moved buildings and other oversized loads the truck may only pull it safely 15mph to 45 mph just depends, but that is all that is safe and thats all the faster we move and it is ussually with a police escort or a few chase cars. And commercial use means bigger fines for doing it wrong.
 
   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #59  
Sorry, but you do not "NEED to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350" you WANT to, and you should not. Keep renting the equipment that is required and have it delivered to the job-site. You NEED to review your business plan and see if buying the proper equipment in the future is possible. Take the advice of people with experience here who are answering your question, and good luck with the new business.
 
   / Need to tow a CAT D3 dozer with my non-dually F350 #60  
My line of thought has always been if you need to chip it, change the rear axle, add bigger springs, or put semi tires on your pickup you should have bought a bigger truck to start with as you still have the same brakes, frame transmission, drive shaft, and the biggest limiting factor is the guy behind the wheel that thinks it will do anything.

A very intelligent man with common sense you are.
 
 
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