Notice of one of my posts being deleted..What ?

[toppop52]

I'm fairly new here, but I'm a moderator on a classic car forum and an old hand at what happened here. It's a case of one narcissist trying to out Howard Cosell another narcissist. As Howard might have said;"What we have here is a case of bombastic arrogance, exceeded in history only by the Nopolanic campaigns of conquer, perpetuated by a man of short stature but tall ego.":laughing:

 

[5030]

I'm fairly new here, but I'm a moderator on a classic car forum and an old hand at what happened here. It's a case of one narcissist trying to out Howard Cosell another narcissist. As Howard might have said;"What we have here is a case of bombastic arrogance, exceeded in history only by the Nopolanic campaigns of conquer, perpetuated by a man of short stature but tall ego.":laughing:

In other words, organ length is in direct relationship to tolerance.??

I moderate on 2 forums (as well, unrelated) and my philosophy is simply, so long as the poster abides by the users agreementm I have no problem. I even let it get bent a bit but I've found that once it gets bent, it gets bent even more. In other words, human nature don't know when to stop.

Very few ever read the users agreement when initially sntering a forum, they click 'accept the terms' and continue on their merry way, comparable to reading the owners manual for their tractor...not.

But then reading comprehension in this country is at an all time low (along with other things) like graduation from high school, let alone college.

 

[Soundguy]

I'm not wanting to get into this due to my zen thing.. but I'll eave this 1 single response and be done with it.

just curious how you would respond if ......becuase they had a differnt opinion?.....

everyones got an opinion.. everyone's entitled to have their own opinion.. whether it's an agreeable one or not.. or generally accepted as right or wrong, if it is that type of issue.

I say anyone that does not accept

stop.. right there. that's the issue. while everyones entitled to have an opinion. the entitlement stops there. NO ONE has to 'accept' anyone else's opinion. we can all have opinions.. but there is no social rule saying we have to accept any particular other persons opinion.

(or comprehend) someone else's opinion merely because they have a differing one and

same deal. you can have an opinion.. that's fine. that's where the universal entitlement ends. wheter i comprehend or not, your opinion.. nuttin says I gotta like it or agree with it. and just because I don't agree with it.. well. that doesn't make either of us correct or incorrect. it just makes us in 'disagreement' over an issue. at which.. both of us may present 'argument's to try to influence each other, or others to side with our opinion, or at least voice it as a differing / alternative competative but equal opinion. Just because someone does not agree with someone else's opinion, they may, in context, 'see where you are coming from' and understand why you may have a certain opinion, , again, even if they do not agree with it.

replies with a "personal attack" as

personal attacks are classic non legitimate argument schemes. IE.. red herrings or ad hominem... ie.. logical falacies. I have no specific use for either, and will try to point out either if I see them used in an argument, as they only serve to distract from the real issue.

they should expect a reprisal! .....

responding to an ad hominem with another ad hominem mires the entire 'argument'. I like to point out ad hominems when used against me, and otherwise move on. a reprisal, as you say with another ad hominem, only serves to reduce the credibility of the person making the ad hominem. Logical argument debate is not a good place to 'fight fire with fire'.

I say: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

and there is another one about those without sin and casting the first stone.....

I wasn't going to bring this up.. but since you seem to want to delve there... lets look at the history of this thread.

Back in post #14 I made a reference to soylent green , in reference to a nother post. 5030 replied to ME in post #16, and we both had a good chuckle about the soylent green comment and about ignoring others who may bother us. that post / reply was between me and 5030, he quoted my message, it was clear to see who he was responding to.

You posted #17 and ended the message with a comment about 'lack intelect' and ' stupid people'. In context, and chronological progression, it's most likely you were replying directly to 5030, though you could also have been replying to me, or BOTH me and 5030, and directly impled that we lacked intelect or were stupid, because instead of getting down and dirty wasting time arguing , we prefered to avoid conflict and merely ignore some people.

thus.. YOU massey990, hurled the FIRST ad hominem.. ( congratulations! )

it was in reply to that that 5030 made some comments. I personally would not have and would have instead, kept in lockstep and just added you to MY ignore list and kept going, however it was his choice to do whatever ..e tc.. thus your comment above about making a personal attack and not expecting a reprisal. well, that's a case of the pot calling the kettle black, since you tossed out the first pitch of the game.

Whether or not I was a party to that comment you made in post 17 ( ie, you may hve been refering to 5030 only, or me only, or both of us ), I either WAS a party, or I was a casual observer. As a casual observer, again.. it sure looks like you thru the first tomato. if I was a party and included in the scop of your comment.. so be it.. I chose not to toss a tomato back .

anywho.. I won't further debate this particular issue or set of issues with you. that's -neither- a indication that I will ignore you, nor does it mean that I will not continue to post and otherwise follow this thread and contribute and continue posting about other issues or post about this issue with other posters. And that's not an opinion by the way .. that's a statement of choice of direction.

soundguy

 

[toppop52]

In other words, organ length is in direct relationship to tolerance.??

Close enough!:thumbsup:

 

[J_J]

I don't have an ignore list, as I want to read all sides of a conversation.

To the people that have me on their ignore list, I am truly sorry, because you must find me lacking in knowledge and communication skills. OH, that's right, they can't/don't read my post.

That is OK, because I am many years older than a lot of you and have been called everything one can think of. I know better, because I know what and who I am.

I run the gambit of mild mannered individual to rotten SOB. As long as I can accept my mistakes and try to improve myself, how can one do better?

I also know some that have me on their ignore list, check back to read my post. I learn from most everything I do, even reading negative comments, and talking to negative people.

I really don't care to argue to much, and I will admit mistakes when made.

Ignorance rooting from ignoring is a selective state of unawareness.

 

[brin]

Well here is a quick video that will make everyone feel better ..it did me...Remember when this was more of the mood in our country..?

The Jive Aces present: Bring Me Sunshine - YouTube

 

[Soundguy]

I don't have an ignore list, as I want to read all sides of a conversation.......I also know some that have me on their ignore list, check back to read my post.

yep.. always an option.. just because you may be on somebodies list doesn't mean that they don't have to option to 'view post' on each and every message. your name is still listed and the post is just a blank spot.. etc..

To the people that have me on their ignore list, I am truly sorry, because you must find me lacking in knowledge and communication skills.

As with anything, everybodies different. From my personal experience anyway, just speaking about the 'cross section' of people in my ignore list.. the ones I have in there.. it's not that I find them lacking in knowledge, it's just I found that communication with them generated too much a chance for an argument, or they simply made too many ad hominem attacks for me to be overly interested in seeing any more ad hominem attacks. I can tell you that at times I know I had a couple people on my ignore list that I reguarded as HIGHLY intelegent.. yet still argumentative..

soundguy

 

[MossRoad]

Think of a library. Many works by many authors. Once you have read enough works by a particular author, and finally decide you dislike his/her writing, would you keep picking their books off the shelf and reading them or would you ignore them and read some other authors instead? That's all the ignore list does.

 

[Soundguy]

very eloquent way to describe that!


soundguy

 

[SPYDERLK]

Think of a library. Many works by many authors. Once you have read enough works by a particular author, and finally decide you dislike his/her writing, would you keep picking their books off the shelf and reading them or would you ignore them and read some other authors instead? That's all the ignore list does.

I think youre talking about fiction. Here I think we try for non fiction. Regardless of writing style a fact is a fact and every opinion starts out as a potential fact. Altho some things I see called opinions are actually just false its never universal with any poster. So, I dont see the wisdom of blanking anyones posts because you blindly lose the potential value. Its not like you have to peruse a post to tell if it merits more attention or a response or a skip.
larry