Ahh yes Steve. I reread your post and now I understand. Glad that your situation is not as I thought it to be. Thats great. Funny I tried both tractors, the JD4700 and Kubota 4610, liked the L4610 (for the better HST primarily) better but ended up with neither. I wanted more loader then either of these had but still wanted a compact tractor and HST. Rat....