Real Estate Days on Market?

   / Real Estate Days on Market? #101  
Let's say you have $100,000 to lend today, but you want to be repaid in a year. Assume inflation is running at 10% per annum. What is the minimum interest rate you have to charge in order to have the same purchasing power when you get repaid in a year not taking any income tax consequences into effect and assuming that you are dealing with a risk free borrower who won't default because of loss of job, divorce, death or is simply a deadbeat?
 
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   / Real Estate Days on Market? #103  
Let's say you have $100,000 to lend today, but you want to be repaid in a year. Assume inflation is running at 10% per annum. What is the minimum interest rate you have to charge in order to have the same purchasing power when you get repaid in a year not taking any income tax consequences into effect and assuming that you are dealing with a risk free borrower who won't default because of loss of job, divorce, death or is simply a deadbeat?
Mortgages are typically 15-30 year notes. The calculations are aggregate and short term inflation rates are watered down. Banks also do not focus on returns for individual loans, but on the portfolio in a particular tranche. Spreading risk and opportunity.
 
   / Real Estate Days on Market? #104  
At a minimum, the rate would obviously need to be in excess of the prevailing inflation rate for the investor to receive the equivalent value of funds when the loan is repaid in one year.

Over a 30 year mortgage, risks are much more pronounced in the real world and therefore, mortgage interest rates should be significantly higher than the underlying rate of inflation.

But they haven't been and that's one reason why we had runaway price escalation in the housing market.
 
   / Real Estate Days on Market? #105  
At a minimum, the rate would obviously need to be in excess of the prevailing inflation rate for the investor to receive the equivalent value of funds when the loan is repaid in one year.

Over a 30 year mortgage, risks are much more pronounced in the real world and therefore, mortgage interest rates should be significantly higher than the underlying rate of inflation.

But they haven't been and that's one reason why we had runaway price escalation in the housing market.
Sorry, but those things do not drive each other. Mortgages only have risk to the bank if the property values are out of line. If the values are out of line, the bank passes on the loan. Risk is limited by the feds. High property values is not "inflation". Inflation is an increase in national consumer prices, not housing. They go together at times, but not always. Housing tends to be more regional. The market forces are much different.

Do the 30 year average for inflation. That is what the bank would be using, not our short term bump.

Inflation is a real problem and the housing price increases are a real problem. Housing will crash in places like California because it has been overvalued for years and people are leaving the state. Here in Texas prices on housing will go up, except in remote areas.

The solution is both tightened money supply and fiscal restraint. Rates are just a part of that.
 
   / Real Estate Days on Market? #106  
Here in upstate NY Catskills, I've seen houses listed for what I thought were insane prices that sold in a week. Don't know what the final price was, but unless those crazy prices were just for show, selling that fast must mean they didn't come down too much..
 
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Sorry, but those things do not drive each other. Mortgages only have risk to the bank if the property values are out of line. If the values are out of line, the bank passes on the loan. Risk is limited by the feds. High property values is not "inflation". Inflation is an increase in national consumer prices, not housing. They go together at times, but not always. Housing tends to be more regional. The market forces are much different.

Do the 30 year average for inflation. That is what the bank would be using, not our short term bump.

Inflation is a real problem and the housing price increases are a real problem. Housing will crash in places like California because it has been overvalued for years and people are leaving the state. Here in Texas prices on housing will go up, except in remote areas.

The solution is both tightened money supply and fiscal restraint. Rates are just a part of that.
Maybe a few years but I posted before in 2012 my city had 75 single family homes under 75k

The last 10 years values increased to set new records in the first 6 months of this year.

Maybe a better example is real estate is cyclical and with California having greater highs followed by lows...?
 
   / Real Estate Days on Market? #108  
Sorry, but those things do not drive each other. Mortgages only have risk to the bank if the property values are out of line. If the values are out of line, the bank passes on the loan. Risk is limited by the feds. High property values is not "inflation". Inflation is an increase in national consumer prices, not housing. They go together at times, but not always. Housing tends to be more regional. The market forces are much different.

Do the 30 year average for inflation. That is what the bank would be using, not our short term bump.

Inflation is a real problem and the housing price increases are a real problem. Housing will crash in places like California because it has been overvalued for years and people are leaving the state. Here in Texas prices on housing will go up, except in remote areas.

The solution is both tightened money supply and fiscal restraint. Rates are just a part of that.

I agree on the need for tightening money supply and fiscal restraint, but respectfully disagree on other points.

The banks are primarily pricing interest rates based on what they can obtain funds for and not necessarily on risk. It isn't their money. They are lending their depositors' money with most bankers having a very short term view, in my experience.

Mortgage lending isn't as free of default risk as one might think. Speaking only to the valuation issue and not other risks of default, sometimes bank examiners will review appraisals on loans that have come under scrutiny due to payment defaults, but I tend to doubt that they give a systematic review of the entire mortgage loan portfolio. Even if they were to undertake such a review, there's enough play in appraisals in a rapidly evolving market that such a review might not be that much assurance of the strength of the mortgage portfolio.

Add to that the fact that there are only so many bank examiners to go around....they can't be expected to have reviewed that much of bank lending portfolios, especially since the growth of national banks makes it very difficult to examine any of the larger banks operating over multiple states.

The 30 year average to which you refer was after a serious effort was put into bringing inflation under control. Price stability in those years is not indicative of price stability to come in the future.

Any loan made today should consider the present level of inflation and the odds of when and if it will be brought back under control--ie., risk. Loans made today are being made after unprecedented levels of spending and QE by any historical standard. That must be considered in pricing loans going forward.

If someone was writing a dissertation today (and they weren't interested in being hired by the Fed), there's an argument to be made that QE first wrecked the CD/Bond market, then distorted the stock market as people searched for yields in that market, and then QE has contributed to pushing investors into the housing market distorting prices there as well.

I'm not sure the Fed would hire an analyst whose dissertation says, "hey, look what you did here."
 
   / Real Estate Days on Market? #109  
The worst 30 year annual inflation average in US History was about 5.47%. This will not be as long or bad as then for 2 reasons. 1) the fed has taken steps sooner. 2) we will hopefully have an administration soon that has a better grasp of economics and stops spending in the consumer space

I've been on the inside and the feds have about 5 agencies that regularly audit bank portfolios. Never underestimate the size and scope of the bureaucracy.
 
 
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