Yeah but good dealers like us dont have a rent/or mortgage. we have no operating loans and we pay cash for everything and take advantage of all cash discount. Plus we sell other than compact tractors. Other product lines are less competitive and allow for larger margins, as far as competion it can be brutal in certain areas margins can be depressed as low as 3-5% on some deals for compact tractors. I do agree with you that a healthier margin would be nice like 10-12% but when the market does not allow it you get with the program and cut your operating expenses. You also have your parts and service business which carry larger margins and profit opportunities. This has always been the basics for all business. We have 12-15 employees year round and keep up all maintance and make a major investment in our business every year. We still pay taxes every year and have some left over for a rainy day so I guess what I am trying to say is it can be done and it can work if you are good at what you do.