BX 23 loader

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When I back drag with the bucket, after a couple of passes the bucket gets sort of floppy and dosen't hold position very well. I suppect that it is sucking air in around the rod seal, as I can cycle the bucket all the way up and down a couple of times and then it will work OK for a while. Has any body else had this problem??, and if so what was the fix??
 
   / BX 23 loader #2  
Ron, have not had that problem with my 23............so far.

Don
 
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Bucket does not have a float setting. Loader does. And yes, I frequently use the loader in float to back drag.
 
   / BX 23 loader #5  
Okay, here is why this happens. When you backdrag, you are putting steady pressure on the rod pushing the piston into the cylinder. The constant fluid pressure from the piston side is bypassing the valve spool, and going back to the tank. The style valve in use does a poor job of holding constant pressure in the neutral position. Just look at how your stabilizer and backhoe cylinders drop so fast in the neutral position. Since when the piston retracts it pushes more fluid back than the rod side requires, air is introduced into the rod side of the cylinder. The rod seals do a great job of keeping the fluid in, but a very poor job of keeping air out. Air also easily bypasses the piston seal to get into that side of the cylinder also. Irregardless, with air in the cylinder, you get bounce.

Now, how do you prevent this? If I owned any of the tractors you guys do that have cylinder bleed down issues, I would complain to the dealer and the manufacturer. Cylinder drift overnight is not normal, unless the dealers and manufacturers convince you that it is in order for them to use cheap valves. I have seen dozens of similar applications that have virtually no cylinder drift.
 
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#6  
So the fix is... Repack cylinder rod and/or replace valve ? I guess it really sounds like a valve problem more than a cylinder problem. For the price of a valve replacement, I guess I'll just have to live with it. Haven't talked with the dealer parts dept yet, but would doubt that they would really care. That is unless they could sell a new valve. Thanks for the insight.
 
   / BX 23 loader #7  
I think the cylinders are OK... I have traced my bleed down to the joystick and stabilizer valves.
 
   / BX 23 loader #8  
Okay, here is why this happens. When you backdrag, you are putting steady pressure on the rod pushing the piston into the cylinder. The constant fluid pressure from the piston side is bypassing the valve spool, and going back to the tank. The style valve in use does a poor job of holding constant pressure in the neutral position. Just look at how your stabilizer and backhoe cylinders drop so fast in the neutral position. Since when the piston retracts it pushes more fluid back than the rod side requires, air is introduced into the rod side of the cylinder. The rod seals do a great job of keeping the fluid in, but a very poor job of keeping air out. Air also easily bypasses the piston seal to get into that side of the cylinder also. Irregardless, with air in the cylinder, you get bounce.

Now, how do you prevent this? If I owned any of the tractors you guys do that have cylinder bleed down issues, I would complain to the dealer and the manufacturer. Cylinder drift overnight is not normal, unless the dealers and manufacturers convince you that it is in order for them to use cheap valves. I have seen dozens of similar applications that have virtually no cylinder drift.

I agree with what you said, but you should know that there are a lot more units that bleed down than not. You can complain to the dealers all you want, they are going to tell you that that is the way it is. I don't think that any manufacture guarantees that the cylinder or valve will not suck air. More money for a valve or cylinder may get you a better product, but that is not set in stone. We don't like it, but it is something that we have to live with.

Pilot operated load checks are required on some equipment for good reasons, especially when working under one of them.

If you had your same job, and also had a tractor that you worked hard, you would be replacing those valves and cylinders from your shop every 6 mo to a year.

An analogy might be the not so perfect wife , and you can't fix it. You might have to live with the situation.
 
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Wayne County Hose,

Do you know of any manufacturer that guarantees a zero leak down on their valves or cylinders?
 

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