Gear drive vs hydro

   / Gear drive vs hydro #71  
This is how I chose:

Divided my tractor's PTO HP into the difference in PTO HP (for my model) between gear & hydro. Multiplied that number by what the tractor cost (less loader, attachments, options, etc) eg: ((26.5-25.0)/26.5) x $18785 = $1063. Viewed this way, that 妬nsignificant lost PTO HP actually costs a lot.

Given that both model's engines put out the same HP, where does that lost 1.5 HP go? It goes into heat, which isn't always a good thing. Where did that 1.5 HP and heat come from? From the fuel tank.

What productivity do you get for that lost 1.5 HP? That's where the ease of use may make the hydro a winner. In my case, it didn't, partly because I opted to get the Kubota GST with shuttle shift. The GST has 12 fwd speeds instead of 8. Neither the gear shift or the fwd/rev shuttle require the clutch to be depressed, so left foot and clutch gets lots less wear and tear. However, this clutch pedal is still there. I use it for starting from a stop, shifting on the fly and when precision positioning is needed. I think Deere has a similar transmission available.

I知 comfortable using a clutch and actually prefer selecting when the gear change occurs. I can anticipate and downshift or upshift before the change of speed is actually required, smoothing operating transitions. All of my cars have been standard shift, so for me it痴 familiar and natural that my tractor should be similar.

Just my spin on the question.

-Jim
 
   / Gear drive vs hydro #72  
So, it sounds like you're saying that your shifting is smoother than infinately variable? I think you can compare the hydro to a snowmobile variable belt thing.

I'm curious about the PTO hp, were you guys saying you get less at pto with hydro? I'm gonna have to check that...

Jake
 
   / Gear drive vs hydro #73  
So, it sounds like you're saying that your shifting is smoother than infinately variable? I think you can compare the hydro to a snowmobile variable belt thing.

I suspect (having never driven one) that the HST is smoother, but I can "feather" the clutch so the transition is very smooth, too.

As for the comparison between HST & variable belt/CVT, I would think that the fluid drive to mechanical drive analogy is probably pretty close.
 
   / Gear drive vs hydro #74  
The infinately variable part is what makes the difference. I didn't like it the first ten minutes that I used one. I think a manual trans with syncro would be more fun to use, but I didn't know they had that when I bought mine. I'm not much on researching when money's burning a hole in my pocket. Looks like I won't have that problem for a while...

Jake
 
   / Gear drive vs hydro #75  
Would not own a tractor with a hydro drive.
 
   / Gear drive vs hydro #76  
My first hydro experience was with my 75 JD 410 Backhoeloader. that has gear trans and a reverser. Clutch for gear and range changes but reverser lever for forward and reverse, no clutch needed. This is a large old backhoe. Still have it and like it. It even has Park. The book says it digs 14 some feet. aint gonna get me doin that...
 
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   / Gear drive vs hydro #77  
Come to think of it, my V Twin has hydro. It loses a little something going down hill, gains speed. What the heck, V twins are for kids anyway, right?

Jake
 
   / Gear drive vs hydro #78  
I would like to hear from a dealer regarding repairs. I'm not talking about which type needs more repairs, I'm talking about comparing a common gear transmission failure vs a common HST failure. Which costs more? It might be that HST is cheaper to work on, I have no idea.

But that was part of my decision to get a gear drive. Not so much that it would be cheaper to fix, but that probably any tractor shop could repair it. And even more importantly, that my B-I-L and I could probably fix anything that went wrong on my tractor. He has a complete shop, with overhead hoist and all that. He does not do complete engine rebuilds but does pretty much everything else. He lives right next door to my property so that was a major consideration. And since most of his experience is with older tractors, I don't think he would be willing to or know how to work on an HST at all.

And even if he isn't around, I imagine if my tractor breaks down 10 years from now, any local trctor shop should be equipped to work on it.
 
   / Gear drive vs hydro #79  
I just read in some thread that they had 0 failures to report. Reminded me of when my Allison started spitting fluid. I asked the supposedly best trans shop around and they said, "we don't know, we've never seen one break yet.." was kind of like a good and bad feeling all at once. I had the best bad trans you could get...they put them in schoolbuses!!

ps I think it was actually the torque thing made by GM or whoever.. jm
 
   / Gear drive vs hydro #80  
Not that I want to add to the extra liability side, (is there a forum here for that?), but with the hydro, you don't have to jump on and off, you can leave the brake on and in low range you can move a few feet without more than one finger on the pedal... or you can drive all over with the brake on if that suits you.
Jake

and what is a wet brake job on a hydro gonna cost???
 

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