Super A meets a baler

vsteel · Jan 2, 2009

zzvyb6 said:
The plunger head is too light to cause such a motion.

I don't know as I would agree with that. There is a lot of weight when you consider the plunger, the connecting rod and the crank for the plunger. There isn't any counter weights, then you get that spinning pretty good, that is a lot of force.

I do agree that you don't need that much HP to run a baler, but you do need some weight to keep it from rocking around because of the plunger movement.

kenstrac · Jan 2, 2009

My MF150 died while I was haying hooked up farmall super c WFE to MF12 baler did the job but no ind.pto next field used my Allis CA NFEthis worked alot better but the brakes on both were hairy

SPYDERLK · Jan 2, 2009

AKfish said:
Thanks flusher. Great video! Makes me want to get my own baler setup!!

And zzvyb6; I've come to appreciate your posts - and would like to see your shirt someday, too!

Sure would like to do my own hay one of these first years.. But, I'd really like to avoid buying a 100hp tractor and a $10-20K baler to get it done.

As much as I've followed the ebb and flow of the debate regarding small tractors - low hp balers vs large tractors - high hp balers (or any baler for that matter); I have yet to see any discussion or recommendations regarding the models of small balers (besides the JD336 or maybe the NH273) that anyone considering a small tractor hay operation should be keeping an eye out for!!

What models of balers should be seriously considered if you've only got 30-40 pto hp to work with and 3,500 - 4,500 lbs??

Thanks for any feedback.

AKfish

Heres a link to another thread where it was discussed. Apparently high capacity balers shake a lot and require a bunch of HP on even tiny windrows.

The IH37 does not, even when outputing a firm bale about every 9 or 10 seconds.
larry
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/124879-baling-compact-minimum-size-3.html

Hoosier Hay Man · Jan 2, 2009

30hp will run the smaller balers fine, but when most of the smaller balers were built a 30hp tractor had a little more weight behind it. A baler can rock a tractor pretty good with each stroke. I could run my old NH68 with a Oliver 77 or JD50 has about 26 pto hp. I use a JD 4430 with 125 ponies for my NH 315 and boy can it eat hay.

NH 68 project a few years back.

shvl73 · Jan 2, 2009

I hooked my Mahindra 2810HST (22+pto HP)to my MF124 baler and made some nice bales. It seemed to handle it well. You definitely know its back there as you can feel the plunger strokes but, its not bad. I'm a real newbie to haying and real small scale but, it worked well enough for me. If I can work out a deal with my neighbor to hay his field, I may end up getting an older 40hp+- farm tractor. I've recently seen a couple of NH65 balers for sale and was real tempted but, if my MF124 is working, why mess with it.

Thinking more about this, my place is fairly flat. The tractor seems to pull the baler around just fine. Does anyone think that there is actually the possibility of harming the tractor, pto, etc... by using the baler? It would be cheaper to get a NH 65 than add a whole other tractor to maintain.

flusher · Jan 4, 2009

Hoosier Hay Man said:
30hp will run the smaller balers fine, but when most of the smaller balers were built a 30hp tractor had a little more weight behind it. A baler can rock a tractor pretty good with each stroke. I could run my old NH68 with a Oliver 77 or JD50 has about 26 pto hp. I use a JD 4430 with 125 ponies for my NH 315 and boy can it eat hay.
NH 68 project a few years back.
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Wow!! That's a great restoration. Congrats on excellent work.

Using that neat old Oliver 77 to pull your baler reminds me of the cover photo on Spencer Yost's book "Small Scale Haymaking" where he shows a 77 pulling an IH 46 baler. It's my haymaking bible since Yost prefers the old stuff for this kind of work and I only have about 6 acres for haying and a limited budget for this hobby of mine.

flusher · Jan 4, 2009

scott_vt said:
Good Evenin Ray,
Great video !!! Really enjoyed it ! Im providing a link of when I rebuilt my 49 Super A ! Some day it will go to one of my grandsons, but not until Im in the box !

I absolutely love that tractor, it never amazes me of what its capable of ! And its 60 years old, which is two years ilder than me, and thats old !

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/photos/84042-any-day-now-any-day.html

BTW, here is the snowplow project for the Super A !

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...low-frame-super.html?highlight=snowplow+super

Thanks for the links.

My younger son is enthralled with Farmall Cubs and wants me to get one (he lives in Roseville= yuppieville). I found this Super A while scouring craigslist for a Cub. Couldn't pass up this Super A with the mid-mount sicklebar, 3pt hitch, a rear blade and like-new rubber for $1300. I have a few 4-ft implements and a middlebuster/subsoiler left over from the days I owned a 2005 Kubota B7510HST (traded last March for a new Mahindra 5525), which is one reason I glommed onto this Super A with the 3pt hitch.

The Cub will come when it comes, although finding one with a few attachments at a reasonable price is a chore.

Hoosier Hay Man · Jan 4, 2009

flusher said:
Wow!! That's a great restoration. Congrats on excellent work.

Using that neat old Oliver 77 to pull your baler reminds me of the cover photo on Spencer Yost's book "Small Scale Haymaking" where he shows a 77 pulling an IH 46 baler. It's my haymaking bible since Yost prefers the old stuff for this kind of work and I only have about 6 acres for haying and a limited budget for this hobby of mine.

Thanks! Looking back it was alot of fun doing the restoration. I only upgraded when I ran across a NH 315 last year for only $2,000 ready to go. I think I am going to sell the 68 this spring.

Your Super "A" should be very helpful making hay. When I was a kid we used a Farmall "B" to rake and pull wagons. Here are some spescs from tractor data. Great little tractor to drive!

Well built and easy to work on.
TractorData.com Farmall Super A tractor information

I am waiting for the day I can buy a new FEL tractor. Until then I will get by with the older stuff.

DanD78 · Jan 4, 2009

For what you are doing on light wind rows and flat ground you have a good match. We use a 606 Farmall with loaded tires and have had it push the tractor down a hill if the wagon is too full. Horse power is usually not a problem unless the hay is real heavy but traction can be a problem. The picture is on some of the flat ground we bale. It sure makes good hay.

Sure is a sharp tractor...

Dan

flusher · Jan 4, 2009

Hoosier Hay Man said:
Thanks! Looking back it was alot of fun doing the restoration. I only upgraded when I ran across a NH 315 last year for only $2,000 ready to go. I think I am going to sell the 68 this spring.

Your Super "A" should be very helpful making hay. When I was a kid we used a Farmall "B" to rake and pull wagons. Here are some spescs from tractor data. Great little tractor to drive! Well built and easy to work on.
TractorData.com Farmall Super A tractor information

I am waiting for the day I can buy a new FEL tractor. Until then I will get by with the older stuff.