rcrcomputing
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I feel no need for filled tires. Course, my backhoe is usually on, but not always..
Backhoe Filled tires with backhoe?
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Ductape
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I was concerned that with the added weight of my backhoe, the rollover protection of my cab would be reduced. To compensate, I filled my tires.............................. with helium !
Volfandt
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I run loaded rears (turfs & bar's ) on my BX23 as I have the BH removed at least 80% of the time. It's just too easy to mount / dismount to keep it mounted when not needed. My rears are filled to approx 70% rimguard and 30% air. With the loaded rears I've yet to need any additional ballast when digging/hauling material.
If one keeps the loaded FEL as low as possible to the ground when transporting, the chances of a rollover decreases proportionally. Course there are inclines/declines where one shouldn't traverse with a loaded FEL anyhow. The tractors center of gravity changes immencely in proportion to the level of and load in an FEL.
The BX23 owners manual gives a pretty detailed reason for not running ballast in the rears with the BH installed. As been already posted, it recommends to remove ballast when the BH is mounted (yeah right)
It's shows the expansion forces within the tire when it rolls over an obstacle. It indicates that if the rears are filled too full, leaving little room for the remaining air to compress, the ballast's lack of being able to compress "may" blow out between the tire and rim, baically blowing the tires bead out. An immediate blowout would cause a rollover in certain situations....
Theres a happy medium which I believe I've found w/a 70/30 fluid/air load. YUMV......
If one keeps the loaded FEL as low as possible to the ground when transporting, the chances of a rollover decreases proportionally. Course there are inclines/declines where one shouldn't traverse with a loaded FEL anyhow. The tractors center of gravity changes immencely in proportion to the level of and load in an FEL.
The BX23 owners manual gives a pretty detailed reason for not running ballast in the rears with the BH installed. As been already posted, it recommends to remove ballast when the BH is mounted (yeah right)
It's shows the expansion forces within the tire when it rolls over an obstacle. It indicates that if the rears are filled too full, leaving little room for the remaining air to compress, the ballast's lack of being able to compress "may" blow out between the tire and rim, baically blowing the tires bead out. An immediate blowout would cause a rollover in certain situations....
Theres a happy medium which I believe I've found w/a 70/30 fluid/air load. YUMV......
maverick660
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The dealer rec that I fill the tires when I purchased my unit with BH and it was after the deal was made for the most part so no additional charge
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I asked my dealer about the issue regarding the filled rears with a backhoe and he said they've been doing that for years, and not seen any issues yet.
Per the owner's manual, whenever I re-attach my backhoe, I remove the liquid from the tires, then re-fill the tires when the backhoe comes off. I have a 1000 gallon tank in my yard to handle all the liquid ballast I go through by filling and draining regularly. OK, just kidding.
I look at it this way - my machine's 3pt hitch is rated to lift nearly 1700 lbs 24" behind the lift point and over 2100 lbs at the lift point. Since my backhoe is 800-1000 lbs, and the ballasted tires are somewhere around 300 lbs, I figure that I have plenty of safety margin built in.
Per the owner's manual, whenever I re-attach my backhoe, I remove the liquid from the tires, then re-fill the tires when the backhoe comes off. I have a 1000 gallon tank in my yard to handle all the liquid ballast I go through by filling and draining regularly.
OK, just kidding.I look at it this way - my machine's 3pt hitch is rated to lift nearly 1700 lbs 24" behind the lift point and over 2100 lbs at the lift point. Since my backhoe is 800-1000 lbs, and the ballasted tires are somewhere around 300 lbs, I figure that I have plenty of safety margin built in.
I asked my dealer about the issue regarding the filled rears with a backhoe and he said they've been doing that for years, and not seen any issues yet.
Per the owner's manual, whenever I re-attach my backhoe, I remove the liquid from the tires, then re-fill the tires when the backhoe comes off. I have a 1000 gallon tank in my yard to handle all the liquid ballast I go through by filling and draining regularly.
I look at it this way - my machine's 3pt hitch is rated to lift nearly 1700 lbs 24" behind the lift point and over 2100 lbs at the lift point. Since my backhoe is 800-1000 lbs, and the ballasted tires are somewhere around 300 lbs, I figure that I have plenty of safety margin built in.
Huhh ?
I don't see what relationship you think there is here.
A ton or so of lift capacity is just that,
300 lbs of ballast in a tire is just that,
or 300 in each,
so what ?
They're Unrelated.
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What do you mean they're unrelated?
If the machine is rated to pick up 2000 lbs with the 3 point hitch and transport it, then you should be able to haul around 1100-1300 lbs worth of backhoe and loaded tires, right? Yes, you'd need a big load in the FEL to balance the 2000 lbs on the 3pt hitch, but the idea that you can lift that much with the 3pt hitch should tell you that a lesser combined load hanging off the back and in the tires should not cause damage.
If the machine is rated to pick up 2000 lbs with the 3 point hitch and transport it, then you should be able to haul around 1100-1300 lbs worth of backhoe and loaded tires, right? Yes, you'd need a big load in the FEL to balance the 2000 lbs on the 3pt hitch, but the idea that you can lift that much with the 3pt hitch should tell you that a lesser combined load hanging off the back and in the tires should not cause damage.
What do you mean they're unrelated?
If the machine is rated to pick up 2000 lbs with the 3 point hitch and transport it, then you should be able to haul around 1100-1300 lbs worth of backhoe and loaded tires, right? Yes, you'd need a big load in the FEL to balance the 2000 lbs on the 3pt hitch, but the idea that you can lift that much with the 3pt hitch should tell you that a lesser combined load hanging off the back and in the tires should not cause damage.
Tire ballast is NOT CARRIED by the 3 PH, ergo the 3 ph capacity and weight of fluid in the tires are not related.
Tire ballast is MOVED by the tractor, in that sense ALONE it represents a load, but it is already and always on the ground.
It isn't "lifted", it is never "hanging off the back", it doesn't need to be counter balanced by anything in the loader, in fact it is the counter balance to the load in the bucket.
I appreciate that you are confused; but your tractor's lift capacity is still pretty much unrelated to tire ballast. Just think it through, you can get there.
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However, backhoe weight and 3pt hitch capacity are somewhat related, as to the stresses and strains that they put on a machine while driving it around. My owner's manual states nothing about removing liquid tire ballast when utilizing the maximum rated load capacity of the 3pt hitch. Only when installing the backhoe.
My point is that if the weight inside the tires plus the weight of the backhoe would put too much strain on the drivetrain components, which is possibly the reason for the recommendation to remove the weight from inside the tires, then why will 1700 -2000 lbs hanging off the 3pt hitch, which is significantly more than the weight of the backhoe, cause any issues?
Is there a bigger issue that we are all missing that you are aware of, but have yet to enlighten us on, as to how tire ballast & backhoes are RELATED, yet tire ballast and 3pt hitch loads are UNRELATED? Could you please finally provide us with a detailed, informative explanation to this question?
My point is that if the weight inside the tires plus the weight of the backhoe would put too much strain on the drivetrain components, which is possibly the reason for the recommendation to remove the weight from inside the tires, then why will 1700 -2000 lbs hanging off the 3pt hitch, which is significantly more than the weight of the backhoe, cause any issues?
Is there a bigger issue that we are all missing that you are aware of, but have yet to enlighten us on, as to how tire ballast & backhoes are RELATED, yet tire ballast and 3pt hitch loads are UNRELATED? Could you please finally provide us with a detailed, informative explanation to this question?
