Roundup and tilling Garden

[greenmule]

Clover adds nitrogen to the soils plus green/rotting organic stuff[you might say],good stuff.
Weeds,you can't get rid of weeds in a garden,you just control them,a few weeds hurt nothing much.

Sounds like you need one of those raised bed/plastic covered,irrigated, bed gardens,and there ain't nothing wrong with that[not my cup of beer,but..],but when you say you want to spray roundup on clover in your garden....

 

[MarkV]

Cover adds nitrogen to the soils plus green/rotting organic stuff[you might say],good stuff.
Weeds,you can't get rid of weeds in a garden,you just control them,a few weeds hurt nothing much.

Sounds like you need one of those raised bed/plastic covered,irrigated, bed gardens,and there ain't nothing wrong with that[not my cup of beer,but..],but when you say you want to spray roundup on clover in your garden....

Hey Greenmule, you seem to have a lot of experience and advice, why don't you fill in your profile so we have a little better idea of where you are coming from? It often helps to know if people are in your area or have similar homesteads.

MarkV

 

[turnkey4099]

Unfortunately the canadian province of Ontario has banned all sorts of herbicides and it came into effect this spring.
With only a few exceptions (including farmers) So considering the COOP manager knew I had 40 acres not far from him, he sold it too me without needing to show my "farm card' So of course I don't need 4 gallons for garden !!!! , but I now will have enough for many years including if I want to try it on one of of my abandoned hay fields .
So please understand I am not foolish .
But I see farmers in area till a one or two acre field and not a weed grows on it until they plant in spring.So they must use roundup .
Considering both my wife and I have bad backs, we are not about to do the same amount of weeding we did last year. So hope to start with a semi clean slate of weedfree and then use straw between rows to keep them at bay during summer and till and roundup maybe in fall again. But will research more
signed
hobby farmer just trying to get better with technology
jake

I'm sure you know this but just in case...

Roundup only works on plants that are green and growing. It has no 'dormant' effect.

Harry K

 

[wawajake]

Thanks to those that offered sincere advice.
And to those that were persnicity ........go get a cup of tea and relax !

As for Ontario getting extreme on banning herbicides (except for farmers and golf course use)...........now that America has a more left wing government , you might see the same thing happen in a few years in your states.

My province almost banned incandescent bulbs, (and I was ready to stock up before the ban) but they backed out at the last minute when they realized the mercury issues with the low watt curly bulbs.
Now back to my gardening.......
Yes I do know weeds must be active for roundup to have an effect , and although clover is dominate weed , I also have lots of dandilion and chickweed.
Looks like from book and from the knowledgable here, I should mix 2.5 oz per US gallon and mix up four gallons and use half on my garden and half on my gravel driveway to kill the weeds . I will let you know how it works for me. Then wait a few weeks before tilling under with the peat moss I will add to reduce the clay impact.

jake

 

[sunspot]

About 2 weeks ago, I bought 2 each, 2.5 gallon jugs of generic Roundup, 41 % at $99 per jug. I also bought 2 each 2.5 jugs of 2-4-D Amine, 43?%, I forgot the exact percent.

I think that comes out at 1.5 oz per gallon.

I mixed a half gallon of each in 40 gallons of water and used a boom sprayer on a half acre and sprayed a quarter mile of badly over grown fence row.

I will plow or disc harrow the half acre in a couple of weeks.

 

[teg]

Only need a very light mist over the plants, no need to soak them. Using extra does not kill them any more then dead. Also, after you till, you will bring up to the surface hundreds of more seeds that will sprout... so killing these plants now will have little effect other then making you feel better

Since I have a small garden, I've tilled a couple of times and the weeds are less and less each time.

 

[wawajake]

I hear ya Teg about the other seeds still in ground.....but spraying will make my wife happy and have less weeds making more seeds. But Combo of seat time to till, I get to enjoy, and roundup weed control, should lower the numbers somewhat. With straw between rows that will later get tilled into ground in fall with the weeds that survive the sumer of course
thanks
jake (with just a very pale green thumb)

 

[schmism]

we fought grass and weed seeds from the composted horse manure i use on my garden last year. There was a large area we didnt plant in the spring and i had tilled 2 or 3 times. Still the stuff cam back in a nice green carpet of weeds/grass

i got the roundup out on it and the area stayed dead all summer even after a till the area was much less weedie than the surrounding garden area that didnt get sprayed and the broccoli did great in the middle of it all.

 

[allenr]

Unfortunately the canadian province of Ontario has banned all sorts of herbicides and it came into effect this spring.
With only a few exceptions (including farmers) So considering the COOP manager knew I had 40 acres not far from him, he sold it too me without needing to show my "farm card' So of course I don't need 4 gallons for garden !!!! , but I now will have enough for many years including if I want to try it on one of of my abandoned hay fields .
So please understand I am not foolish .
But I see farmers in area till a one or two acre field and not a weed grows on it until they plant in spring.So they must use roundup .
Considering both my wife and I have bad backs, we are not about to do the same amount of weeding we did last year. So hope to start with a semi clean slate of weedfree and then use straw between rows to keep them at bay during summer and till and roundup maybe in fall again. But will research more
signed
hobby farmer just trying to get better with technology
jake

I agree with your thoughts Jack, and a large container always works out far less expensive than little bits

The 360 gram/litre (36%) glyphosate that I use is usually applied at 1 part Glyphosate - 100 parts water and then 300l/Ha.

 

[turnkey4099]

About 2 weeks ago, I bought 2 each, 2.5 gallon jugs of generic Roundup, 41 % at $99 per jug. I also bought 2 each 2.5 jugs of 2-4-D Amine, 43?%, I forgot the exact percent.

I think that comes out at 1.5 oz per gallon.

I mixed a half gallon of each in 40 gallons of water and used a boom sprayer on a half acre and sprayed a quarter mile of badly over grown fence row.

I will plow or disc harrow the half acre in a couple of weeks.

Just curious as I have seen reports of other doing it and even companies adding 24d (or similar) to there glypsophate to get 'rapid kill'.

I don't see the logic. Roundup (and generics) kill by killing the roots and it takes time for the stuff to get down there. Getting rapid kill on the top growth seems counterproductive.

Harry K