2011 Super Duty

   / 2011 Super Duty #21  
:confused::rolleyes: Its the 2011 Superduty dash......;)
Typing too quick, what I meant was
That is an awesome display. I would be willing to bet those specific gauges are better suited for the Power Wagon which is an off-road beast
As for the brake controller they are catching up. Its just in the the wrong spot. Brake controllers should be mounted and controlled with the right hand.
Why because that is where Ford has it? :rolleyes:
GM and Dodge put it on the left side of the steering wheel and that is where I mount mine too out of preference. Ever towed with a manual transmission truck? I guess its all in preference...

I was just given my review/opinion, sorry to ruffle the feathers of the Ford faithful. :D
Please go back to praising the new truck that is uglier than ever with yet another new diesel that will keep those mechanics in business...
 
   / 2011 Super Duty #22  
I've never really been into only one brand. All brands have burned me enough and also impressed me enough on a similar scale that I have to base my primary decisions on the looks now. All else is pretty equal in my eyes.

Problem is I like the looks of all three domestic brands of HD trucks. Please forgive my pig like and delusional behavior, but its like choosing between three gorgeous women. Can't I have all three?

Good thing I don't actually have loads of money...
 
   / 2011 Super Duty #23  
crashz,

I have ALMOST done this. I have had both a 2008 F250 SD 6.4L King Ranch and a 2009 GMC SLT Duramax, which I currently drive. The only one I am missing is a Dodge, but I have been able to drive them plenty--with at least three family members owning 2500 Cummins-equipped Dodges and my parents general contractor also having one--among others. I will save my pennies and get a Dodge to add it to the comparison list. Then I will pick up my scattered clothes from the driveway and move into the hotel room my wife reserved for me.

John M
 
   / 2011 Super Duty #24  
I sure like Ford's Super Duty trucks. Have an 08 F250 with the 6.4 PS. It has been a dream to drive and pulls my horse's around with ease. Before you go bashing my truck let me say that I also have enjoyed dodge and GM turcks. I just never had either of those in a 3/4 ton.
I hope the new diesel proves to be as nice as the 6.4 has been for me.
 
   / 2011 Super Duty #25  
I really don't like the new grill on the 2011. I hope they offer a couple different grills like usual though and this new nose is just the ugly one. Who knows, maybe it will grow on me some but for now I like the current front end looks.
 
   / 2011 Super Duty #26  
Matt,

I am glad you like your 6.4L Ford. I really enjoyed mine; the only reason I traded was that I wanted to use the truck as a daily driver in addition to long trips and towing. Due to my driving needs a physically lower and slightly smaller truck was helpful to me, but I did not want to give up diesel power. This is the reason I went GM. Do I like it better??? Yes, I do, but I hold only positive feelings for the Ford I had. I think it is more a reflection of that my needs suit one truck v. another more than that one truck is "better" or such to another. In truth, this is what many of us construe when we define a truck (or anything else) as being 'better.' Thusly, you will not hear any bashing of your 6.4L from this corner.

John M
 
   / 2011 Super Duty #28  
Matt,

I am glad you like your 6.4L Ford. I really enjoyed mine; the only reason I traded was that I wanted to use the truck as a daily driver in addition to long trips and towing. Due to my driving needs a physically lower and slightly smaller truck was helpful to me, but I did not want to give up diesel power. This is the reason I went GM. Do I like it better??? Yes, I do, but I hold only positive feelings for the Ford I had. I think it is more a reflection of that my needs suit one truck v. another more than that one truck is "better" or such to another. In truth, this is what many of us construe when we define a truck (or anything else) as being 'better.' Thusly, you will not hear any bashing of your 6.4L from this corner.

John M

I think what it all comes down to is what you need. For a daily driver and in your case the GM product is most likely the best choice. When it comes down to really working one the Ford and the Dodge are a step above. It has nothing to do with engine or tranny, they are all about equal now days. It has to do with the chassis and interior. The GM trucks are much smaller, maybe 3/4 the size of the others which make them nicer in places like parking lots and drive ups. Put a plow on a GM or pull a big 5thw wheel and you will see the short comings of the chassis. Ground clearance is a strong point on the Ford and Dodges.

It all comes down to what you need and do. I have noticed mainly from where I live and watching very closely as I drive down the high way that the GM trucks are usually sold to the casual tower or retired folks because of the better ride and lower stance. Farmers, construction workers, and hot shotters, ie guys who use the truck for a living go with Ford/Dodge 85% of the time. They give up ride for more truck like features.

Chris
 
   / 2011 Super Duty #29  
Best combo I ever saw was a Ford F250 with a Cummins engine. Too bad you could only buy them in Brazil.

Pretty well known technology, QSB 3.9 so just the 4 cylinder version of the QSB 5.9
With all the new small diesel competition, it wont take years before Dodge puts it in its smaller pickups. Or for that matter, the QSB 4.5 that complies to the current emission standards. It puts out 200 hp, the 6BT once started off as a 160hp engine in the Dodge pickups... I guess the economy will win over bragging rights, in the end... ;)
 
   / 2011 Super Duty #30  
Chris,

I would agree with your assessment here, in some respects. I, for one, drive a lot but do not pull 100% of my driving time. This is one obvious reason that I went with the GMC truck. It is a much better daily driver than my 250 was. The other main reason for me is that the current powertrain performance is the best of the three main choices in stock format. I would agree with your assessment that Ford has the best frame and suspension, but I do not agree that Dodge is in that class. While I know that for the new 2500 and up Ram's the frame design has been substantially improved, to this point Dodge has utilized some older frame design and suspension design techniques which are not at the level of either Ford or GM. I have discussed this finding in a previous post about one year ago. The Dodge suspension pieces and radius control arms, etc. are fairly flimsy v. the Ford and as of last year they were still utilizing mostly rivets for most structural cross members (though interestingly not on every truck--what??) rather than double pass welds as do both Ford and GM. On the heavier duty 3500 chassis cab trucks, the C-channel frame thickness on the examples reviewed was only about 75% the thickness of the equivalent Ford and GM products. I have been pleasantly surprised with my GMC frame design, more so than what I expected. The C channel is thick and unlipped and the rail thickness has been improved, it has several thick crossmembers both tubular and stamped, which are double pass welded, just like the Ford I had. The axle, driveshaft, and mounting points are thick and have large load bearing surfaces, so I must say while my Ford had some heavier duty pieces, given its suspension design the GMC I drive is right there. It is difficult for any of us to make a determination about axle loading or durability since the front suspension design of the GMC is different from that of the Ford or Dodge product. It would ultimately boil down here to whether one feels the design is inherantly stronger or weaker v. comparing them directly.

Chris, I totally see your point here. If I were doing heavy load carrying or pulling day in and out I would go Ford all the way. The frame and suspension design for this type work is the better choice, but at the cost of manuverability and some driveability for those who care about that. At that point, the additional potential for durability and long term service would likely outweigh the GM's power advantage. I do not feel, with some reason, the Dodge is at the Ford level here. I also do not feel it to be at the GM level either. I, too, thought that people "in the know" were going Ford/Dodge due to these specifics, but in reality many were buying either 1. the best deal or 2. based on word or mouth or previous purchase loyality. I also noted when looking that there was NOT an overwhelming preponderance of Fords and Dodges doing these type tasks. Just yesterday I noted while driving that there were many GMC trucks, both SRW and DRW on the road pulling some big loads, not just grandpa and grandpa pulling the travel trailer. When I started looking, I also found that those buying GMC/Chevy products for heavy towing were doing just fine also, contrary to what I believed before. I admit this. So perhaps their suspension design, though different, is not that bad for heavy towing. I also note that you mention interior design in your comments. While I will say from an appearance perspective (though a personal preference) I think the King Ranch package is top notch. That said, the seats in my current truck are more supportive and comfortable, the gauges are easier to read, it offers a rear DVD with a sunroof (Ford did not) which is important to me but probably not to the average hauler, the interior noise is less, and it drives better. I think you might have a tough time convincing me otherwise--though I loved those dark leather seats on my Ford for their appearance and thought my Ford was a better looking truck, i.e., bigger and bolder. The Dodge is being redesigned, with a substantially upgraded interior as you know. This seems with good reason. The current Dodge crop have interiors that mimic my 2002 Ford, rather than the 2008 one. It appears as though this is being addressed in the new trucks to achieve a par with the other two. This will be a welcomed change as interior design has been a Dodge shortcoming v. the other two manufacturers, IMO. As you aptly mention though, this area is highly subjective; with some prefering more goodies and others less. I am not sure having owned both a Ford and GM truck within the past two years that I fully "buy" the implication that the GM is not a fully capable work truck in this class. Perhaps last year, before I had towed with one, but not this year. As I have stated before, there are things about each truck I have owned that I like, and some things I do not. There were certainly things my Ford 6.4L offered that my current GMC does not, and vice versa. There are certain tasks for which one might suit better than the other. As you note, it boils down to needs and preference, but in the highly competitive heavy duty pickup market it boils down to performance and no competitor can be strong in one area but not in another and hope to sell any trucks.
John M
 

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