Tire ballast added...I think

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beersngars

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Kind of a long story, so I will try to keep it as short as possible. I wanted to bring my tractor home from our cabin property for the winter so it could be used for snow removal and maybe install some rear remotes. I borrow a truck and trailer and head out early in the morning to get it. Also, I wanted to stop off on the way hame to have the rear tires loaded with Rimgard. The appoinment was set at a large local tire chain. In talking with the rep there I was told if I had the valve stems at 12 O'clock, no need to even take the tractor off the trailer. So when the tractor was on the trailer, I jacked up the rear and fight the tires till both valve stems are dead nuts at 12 O'clock and chain it down.

Drive over an hour and arrive at the tire store about 20 minutes early. First thing the guy says is "unload it". I explain the sales rep said no need if the valves were in the proper position. The guys says the rep ain't the one installing it. So I unload and they have me pull it in the shop.

A while later I see the tech rolling my tire and wheel outside and breaking the outer bead. I walk over and begin to talk with him. He says they have no pump and just break the bead and drain the liquid from a huge tank into the tire and reseal the bead. :confused:

I ask how he knows how much to add, he says this ain't his first tire. :mad:
So he adds the Rimgard to both tires and puts the rims back on. I ask again if the level is right and he hits the sidewall with a tire iron and says "yup just right". :mad:

Needless to say I "ain't happy". I think the rep sensed it and only charged me $145 fot everything. My question is, should I jack the tractor up a bit and rotate the valves up and see if fluid comes out? I was told by Rimgard not to fill past the valve or it may reduce traction because it would change the foot print of the tire. Also, the tech told me to run 30 psi of air. This sounds high.

Sorry for the rant, just had to vent a bit.
 
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Very odd. First I think most people will use a tube, even with rim guard. Second the way to check how full the tire is. Jack the tire up and put the stem at noon. Then let the air out and pull the core. Then rotate the tire slowly till you start to get fluid coming out. This will tell you how full the tires are. I think most manufactures recommend 75% full. But I'm sure there are people who will say different. I went to the rim guard site and found my tire size then used that as guide for how much to use in each tire.

Wedge
 
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wedge40- with rimguard, its really not necessary to use tubes. I dont with rimguard.

beersngars -Breaking bead is the way I did it. However it should be filled to 75% and no more for flexing of rubber. When I got my rimgaurd, they gave it to me in 5 gallon buckets in total amounts I needed for both tires. I divided it in half for each tire and that was my 75% in each tire. Its not rocket science but its good to be close to 75% as possible. 75% seems to be in between the top of rim to top part of the bead. following wedge40 procedure to find where the liquid starts to come out will tell you how much you really got in each tire. 145 for everything is not too bad really.

However hitting the tire and listening to sound-:rolleyes: I'd express my opinion on that. There are too many variables and each tractor is different. r1,r4s, turfs , I betcha they sound different with fluid filled to 75%.;).

Its too bad the rep and the tech are not in sync. I'd shy away from the place next time. (its why i filled my own tires with rimgaurd).
 
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Have you tried calling Rim Guard at (866) 792-3700 for an opinion?

Sometimes manufacturers/distributors will get involved in "their customer's business" to save the reputation of their product.


-Bill
 
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Beersngars : Radioman is right, you don't require tubes for RimGaurd or for the Canadian equivalent, .."FUSION". As for the total cost of your deal, (providing the job is adequate),...I'd say you got yourself a "good" deal.

Relative the so-called "technician" that did the installation of said liquid, years of experience with such persons, has taught me that in spite of his attitude, there is a 50/50 chance that he "actually" has done them before and his "guesses" are often "pretty-doggone-close". Tire "sound-checks" by the "experienced" are often reasonably close,...not that I personally can do it, but I certainly have known "Tire-Men" that can!

If it makes you more confident, go ahead and do the level check as suggested. Sorry I can't be more helpful to you,...but I hoped my limited experience would provide a little more confidence in the job for you. I wish you well !!

CHEERS!
. . tug
 
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Thanks for the replys guys. I know it's not rocket science, but my thoughts are, 1) did I get enough to get to the max fill, 2) I have to recheck their work and 3) if theres too much in them, it needs to be drained or if not enough needs to go back.

Bottom line is, it was not handled professionly as I expected.
 
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I have never done this, so it may not work, but does anyone think that one of those electronic stud sensors would work to find the liquid level in the tire?

Sounds a lot easier than looking for the level by pulling a valve core and it is quick and cheap to try.
 
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...not sure but I thought a stud finder worked by magnetism in its search for "metal"...

No, I meant the electronic ones, not the little magnets on a pivot. Like one of these: Zircon Products
 
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Beersngars: Yes, absolutely, you have every right to expect a "professional" job and every right to pursue that end. I agree, from what you say, you sure did not get it. Your "tire-man" could most certainly use a good old fashioned "Attitude-Adjustment",.....OH Yeah !!! ....er,..ah,..does the dealership keep him on a chain out back?

CurlyDave: Sorry, I can't help as I have no idea the theory behind a stud-finder but I hope you're right as it would be of value to many of us. I for one would like to know for sure what my levels are.

I sincerely hope it works and if so,....take a bow my friend !!

Merry Christmas fellas!
CHEERS!
. . tug
 
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I have a stud finder so I will sure give it a try. What tire pressures are you guys running with loaded tires? The 30 psi suggestion sounds a bit high.
 

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