Loved Ones - Toyota

   / Loved Ones - Toyota #271  
Gee, Pat, I guess you are absolutely right. Hoping to have a safe car to drive is just a lost cause. :laughing:

Depends on your definition of safe. There are degrees of safety. There is always more room to install yet another air bag. Multi-point seat belts ala NASCAR would help. Rear facing passenger seats would be good too. Even if there were a production car that cost a million bucks due to safety gadgets and exhaustive testing it would not be 100% safe.

At some point we all make a decision that something is safe enough. If you are willing to go back a few decades in automotive engineering sophistication regarding pollution, mileage, and such then a much simpler (safer) propulsion plant can be used.

Pat
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #272  
Gee Pat, you must have a background in engineering.

Some of the "advances" in vehicle passanger technology are way over-engineered. Wireless gas pedals, internet ready cars, moving headlights, backup cameras, etc. etc. Are they really needed?

I prefer the KISS methodology myself.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #273  
Gee Pat, you must have a background in engineering.

Some of the "advances" in vehicle passanger technology are way over-engineered. Wireless gas pedals, internet ready cars, moving headlights, backup cameras, etc. etc. Are they really needed?

I prefer the KISS methodology myself.

Yes, among other things, I have some engineering background (electronics and computer software mostly, not mechanical.)

I too prefer simple systems but that is not the way things have progressed.

I have an early 60's era VW bug converted to a shortened wheelbase street legal F/G bodied dune/beach buggy. It is the level of automotive technology that I prefer (and understand at a practical level complete with hands on ability.) It has a simple carburettor with float bowl. It has a simple points, plugs, and condenser tune up ability. I can set the points and plugs with a matchbook cover for a gauge if needed and or use the striking surface to burnish the points. I can set the mechanical valve lifter lash with a simple feeler gauge.

No anti-lock brakes, no traction control, no computer assisted stability. Just run it uphill in 4th and adjust the distributor till it knocks and back it off till it doesn't and you are good to go for that particular gasoline at that altitude. I took the front stabilizer bar off to get more independence in the front suspension, lowered the rear end a bit by relaxing the torsion bars (swing axle not IRS) and it is a fun ride in the dunes, cross country, river beds, or whatever. It is not COMPLETELY UNSAFE as it does have seat belts and a full roll cage (not just a bar.) No side intrusion protection, no engineered crumple zone, no air bags, hard dash, roll bars are not even padded, but it is a fun ride and I consciously accept the risks associated with its configuration. I have driven it like a maniac but never rolled it over or come close even when going airborne. This is a level of technology that I can deal with.

I also have 3 4x4 pickups and a Prius. I have done some fairly extensive mods on the Cummins powered Dodge Ram 3500 but stay away from the F250 PSD and Prius and let the dealers do anything needed. I just don't have a clue about all that complexity under the hood and behind the dash. The Ram is the last of the 12 valve no computer Cummins in a Dodge (1997) Even the '89 Dakota "beater" that hardly gets off my own property is way too complicated for my level of expertise, especially in the area of anti-lock brakes and such.

Pat
 
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   / Loved Ones - Toyota #276  
Im curious as to how my Toyota truck is going to autoaccelerate when I have the clutch in...or push it in...people need to lay off the automatic transmissions methinks...lol

I had the same problem in a 99 Volvo wagon, there was/is a campaign to get Volvo to recall the electronic throttle module for unintended acceleration...but the rationale was that a competent driver would/should/could step on the brake and killl the engine.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #277  
Shrug. My simpleton take is this. Toyota, like everyone else, builds cars that are mostly pretty good and pretty safe. But, occasionally, they screw up. This isn't shocking. Even good companies screw up. They all do. Imperfect people building a complex machine is always going to be recipe for flaws. Again, not shocking.

The real question should be simply, did Toyota act responsibly towards its customers in response to the any flaws that may have come to light?
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #278  
I was sitting in a waiting room reading an article last week discusing how it could happen that a company like Toyota who does so many things very well could let this happen and then asked if it has grown so large that its management is having trouble responding to it as quickly as it probably wished it had in hindsight.

I remember hearing about exploding gas tanks, defective brakes, this and that, but I don't remember hearing about cars that accelerate when they aren't supposed to before. With it being Toyota and with it being this kind of problem, it sort of stands out.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #279  
Gee Pat, you must have a background in engineering.

Some of the "advances" in vehicle passanger technology are way over-engineered. Wireless gas pedals, internet ready cars, moving headlights, backup cameras, etc. etc. Are they really needed?

I prefer the KISS methodology myself.

Ive worked with PLC's and CNC automation systems for 30 years so I know what can go wrong even with the best of planning and testing. I'm like you when it comes to safety; I want to keep it simple.

Steer by wire and brake by wire are coming in the next 1-2 model years - Yahoooooooo! jump out of the plane and hope the parachute opens!
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #280  
Yes, and I heard them ignore the 911 operator asking if they could shut off the car. Would it be insensitive of me to say that people seem to operate their cell phones better than their cars? If so, I apologize.

.

Perhaps I'm wrong but I believe they said they were pushing the "start" button but the car would not shut off - little did they or the 911 operator know but the Toyota's require the "start" button to be held down for 3 seconds to shut off the engines.

My question is why don't these cars have a detent maintained panic button like on all my industrial equipment?
 

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