Deere oil vs. amsoil

[dmccarty]

Amsoil doesn't make a 0W40 oil at all, neither gas or diesel rated. I don't know why. Their 5W40 is very good (I've used it), but at -20F, I rather have a 0WXX oil in the crankcase.

DEWFPO

They had a 0w40 oil listed in the MSDS. My GUESS is that they no longer sell it since it was not at the latest rating for use with diesel.

Later,
Dan

 

[spruce Deere]

When it comes time again to change the oil, I just might try the 0w-40 deere oil. dewfpo and I live in a similar climate, I got snowed on yesterday march, 30th at 2000 feet elevation. Last year got snowed on in august, 15th:confused2: at 4500 feet elevation. All it takes around here is the right elevation and the right temps, no matter the month.

 

[dieselfreak]

Hey Guys,

I am a noob, looking at pulling the trigger on a new CYT soon. I was wondering if putting Shell 5w40 syn at the 50 hour service is something you guys have done. I say shell because the newest rotella (t6?) is is readily available.

Thanks,

df.

 

[KennyV]

Hey Guys,

I was wondering if putting Shell 5w40 syn at the 50 hour service is something you guys have done.

df.

I run Rotella T6 in everything I have, gas and diesel.
Great oil and you can't switch to it any too soon. KennyV
...not having tried ether Deere oil or amsoil, couldn't tell their value.

 

[sixdogs]

The only problem I have with Amsoil is their multi level marketing thing. As a result, you can never be sure of the testimonials offered. I'm not going to do an oil analysis so a referral means someting.
Deere 0W40 works great for me, has the right spec sheet numbers and because oil is such a competitive commodity and Deere buys such huge quantities, I find the price acceptable.
Now I extend oil intervals in both time and mileage and feel the oil almost pays for itself, to say nothing of the time saved and disposal issues. What a wonderful invention. Imagine what guys 100 years ago would have thought.

By the way, Deere recently changed to 0W40 II which reflects the new oil ratings that require lower ZDDP (phosphorus & zinc) numbers. If you use it in an older flat tappet engine, which is most old engines, you likely need to add a ZDDP additive. Ther's LOTS of info on this board for that. Search.

 

[sw03]

The only problem I have with Amsoil is their multi level marketing thing. As a result, you can never be sure of the testimonials offered. I'm not going to do an oil analysis so a referral means someting.
Deere 0W40 works great for me, has the right spec sheet numbers and because oil is such a competitive commodity and Deere buys such huge quantities, I find the price acceptable.
Now I extend oil intervals in both time and mileage and feel the oil almost pays for itself, to say nothing of the time saved and disposal issues. What a wonderful invention. Imagine what guys 100 years ago would have thought.

By the way, Deere recently changed to 0W40 II which reflects the new oil ratings that require lower ZDDP (phosphorus & zinc) numbers. If you use it in an older flat tappet engine, which is most old engines, you likely need to add a ZDDP additive. Ther's LOTS of info on this board for that. Search.

I agree but MLM is what most business people...You just need to look. If Deere changed ZDDP that is more power to change to a non API cert oil...LOL

 

[Cat_Driver]

.......The only problem I have with Amsoil is their multi level marketing thing.

Everything you purchase except for vegetables from a farmer at a road stand is multi level marketing.

SInce no one is buying directly from the oil manufacturer and we all know Deere does not drill and produce oil - that's your first level of marketing, then deers sells it to wither a distributor - another lever then the sealer - another level and then you.

I'm not an Ams oil dealer but it's funny how Ams oil gets a bad reputation when they are doing what all other manufacturers do yet no one ever says I'm not buying form Sears, Walmart or anyone else because they have multi level marketing programs.

Now as far as Ams oil and their testing they are actually smart. They will not give their oil for testing to manufacturers because those manufacturers want to know their formula and Ams oil will never do that, so they say you can take your testing and pound salt because the oil was the very first synthetic oil and has stood the time and they do not have to prove anything to anyone.

Mobil will not recommend or guarantee 25,000 mile/1-year drain intervals like AMSOIL 5W-30, 10W-30 or 10W-40 or 35,000 mile/1-year drain intervals like AMSOIL 0W-30 Severe Service Synthetic does and that is a fact. No-where on the Mobil bottle does it state 25,000 miles/1-year or 35,000 miles/1-year.


The cost for running a test program for a single passenger car motor oil formulation is from $125,000 to $300,000, depending on if the formula passes the tests the first time through or requires multiple test runs or formula modifications to achieve a passing average. (That amount goes to $275,000 to $500,000 for a Heavy Duty Diesel licensing program on a specific formula.) Once that testing is complete and the formula has passed all of the minimum requirements, it can be licensed for $825 per year for non-members and $625 per year for members. There is also a small royalty fee per gallon sold for all gallons over one million. The length of time between new specifications is now approximately 2 to 3 years, which does not allow a great deal of time to recover testing costs.

Read more: Car Bibles : Amsoil & API Licensing

 

[sw03]

Mobil will not recommend or guarantee 25,000 mile/1-year drain intervals like AMSOIL 5W-30, 10W-30 or 10W-40 or 35,000 mile/1-year drain intervals like AMSOIL 0W-30 Severe Service Synthetic does and that is a fact. No-where on the Mobil bottle does it state 25,000 miles/1-year or 35,000 miles/1-year.

Funny part is Mobil did about 20 years ago then stopped (25K deal). I am not a dealer of either but I will NOT use Mobil anymore..There CS is poor and price is too high.

And you nailed the MLM issue...some people do not get it..

 

[BTDT2]

[COLOR="Red"]"Now as far as Ams oil and their testing they are actually smart. They will not give their oil for testing to manufacturers because those manufacturers want to know their formula and Ams oil will never do that, so they say you can take your testing and pound salt because the oil was the very first synthetic oil and has stood the time and they do not have to prove anything to anyone"[/COLOR]

Actually they do need to prove that their oil meets manufacturer engine specifications. Normally testing is conducted by an independent lab who charge a fairly hefty price for the testing and certification.

I truly doubt that Mobil, Chevron, Shell etc are dieing to get the AMSOIL formulas. If they were, a simple purchase of a quart of Amsoil for analysis should suffice.

I was an Amsoil dealer a number of years back, and found it very similar to the Amway or Avon home marketing approach.

 

[spruce Deere]

I have not looked at a container of deere plus 50 oil or the plus 50-II, but last I did, there was no API label of approval neither......I also read on this very oil, fuel and lubricants forum that deere knew there oils were good having other oil companies formulate the stuff for deere, be it the refined dinosaur tar from chevron, esso or who ever from there known stock. Deere did not see the need to pay for the little circle of approval. These oil debates....... good for responces