What to add to hard soil?

   / What to add to hard soil? #11  
i do lawns renovations for a living, and have had good luck with straight FINISHED compost (not manure!!!!) or a nice blend of compost and sand, about 75% compost.

i have clay soils here, so your soil may need something else entirely.
 
   / What to add to hard soil? #12  
our local recycling center has composted paper. Its shreaded and then you can just till it in. When i redid the planting beds around the house i used it. Cheap and adds organic material. Depending on the soil you may want to also test it, it may be low in some minerals.
 
   / What to add to hard soil? #13  
Our county sells "mulch" this time of year for $5 a yard. Every few years I get some for the garden to mulch around the garden as well as on top off and between the rows. Our soil is clay and rock. Some places it is rock and clay. Even after bringing in topsoil for the garden it has taken 3-4 years for the garden soil to loosen up. This is the first year I have really noticed lots of worms.

This year the dump has some left over mulch that is now two years old. It would be nice to top dress the yard with this stuff but I do not know if I have the time.

One of our neighbors is trying to build a golf course green as a front yard. :) For years he as brought in load after load of sand, mulch, and topsoil. Very nice yard but he has put some time and money in it. :laughing:

Sorry. I was being wordy.

Mulch.

:D

Later,
Dan
 
   / What to add to hard soil?
  • Thread Starter
#14  
Wow, thanks for so much imput so fast.

Really appreciated, thanks Jeff
 
   / What to add to hard soil? #15  
Sometimes it is important to say what NOT to add just in case somebody gives you the wrong info. For that reason, my short response is NO LIME.
 
   / What to add to hard soil? #16  
Likely referring the the requirement that answers be longer than 4 characters. Try just posting "yes" sometime.


All good answers so far. Organic material, subsoiling is good, as is sand. All of the above, but just ripping alone without putting in the organix, (compost, peat, leaves, sawdust, ashes, etc to build bulk and fiber) won't last but a year or so and it will likely re-compact. Soil is more than dirt.
Yes..
 
   / What to add to hard soil? #17  
+1
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Cannot post just +1, for example, at least I haven't been able to.
 
   / What to add to hard soil? #18  
hmm...
Can I add the magnificent soil tenderizer?

Here is the recipe for soil tenderizer..

$18K for a tractor. Give or take $5-20K
$10-50 dollars for diesel per work day.
$130 - $400 for a sub-soiler.
a bored tractor operator
hours and hours of free time.
1 set of hearing protection
enjoyable beverage of a safe level for tractor operation-likely choices- water, sweet tea, Gatorade
soil tenderizing mix-- amount to be determined by size of tenderization area parameters and county agent
a tractor hat with special sweating water bottle


precautions for proper "cooking" setup.
1. Ask SWMBO for permission to purchase the tractor
2. Use all the bribery and persuasion needed-- This might involve a Caribbean cruise or other high cost excursion.
Care much be used so that the tractor funds are not exhausted on the persuasion.
3. Make multiple envy trips to the local tractor implement yard and stores, make sure you point how cool they look in the presence of SWMBO.
4. Ensure that you post all the details on TBN while further using the excuse to purchase a new digital camera to document.
5. Enlist the help of neighbors and friends to talk about how much help their tractors were, be sure to plan carefully- too much work may be a bad thing.
6. Upon purchase approval, immediately start the work of explaining how this is a tool and that SWMBO would never want to dirty her dainty hands doing such a task as driving or using the tractor.
7. The safety of the project's manhood relies totally on the last ingredient. While working even in the coolest spring and fall weather.. ensure that you keep a sufficient bottle of water handy to simulate excessive sweatingé*�ka really hard work

Now the mixing process:

Carefully utilize the tractor making the work look hard and arduous while using the water to ensure sweat stains and wet hair if you have such. Some men will use such tricks as deer urine or other hunting tricks to incite foul smells. In some areas you may need to add salt to the water so that there are real sweat lines.

Mix in the tenderizing agents as recommended by the local county extension office after he/she has tested your soil. remember not to mention this to anyone on how you came to the perfect combination of lime, potting mix, top soil and the secret spices that only Col Sanders can tell you about.

Remembering the seed recommendation from the county agent (this one you can and should admit the source for�oes to how to find good info and all the time spent 妬n town?, make the third or fourth trip to town to the seed store all the while enjoying the man time... Don't forget when dinner is, as you should never be called late to dinner.

Plant the grass, cover as desired for best results. Wheat straw, light raking etc..
Then sit back and do the most enjoyable event of all: get the pat on the back from SWMBO, while drinking the beverage of choice delivered by the grateful and sweet one with a smile for a hard days work. And don't forget that she can never know the secret truth of just how much fun you had doing all that hard work.


well, that's how it should be done... of course, cooking times and seed acquisitions times vary based on climatic conditions, time of month, and other environmental variables that cannot be accounted for in this simple recipe.

Please add other precautions and ingredients as I may have missed some in my haste to maintain the secrets of a tractor owner


Enjoy dear friend and welcome to the secret society of the lawn builder?


:D


later,
J
 
   / What to add to hard soil? #19  
Check out your soil survey here: Web Soil Survey to find out what your soil is like.

I think it would take a lot of sand to make a big difference--do you want to bring in 2 or 3" of sand to till into the top 6" of soil? I don't.

The usual recommendation for most soil problems is organic matter--it can cure a lot of problems. Should be a lot easier to spread and mix into the soil. Organic matter will improve the nutrient situation, while sand won't add any, but will dilute what you have.
 
   / What to add to hard soil? #20  
sand (and more text hear because the forums are to stupid to understand that just a reply of SAND is sufficient to answer the question)
well I had a few things to contribute but I guess "sand" it is! :cool:
although I see many near coastal properties without grass;) if it cannot grow grass in the soil it has now..... how is it going to grow with only use of adding sand? :confused:
 

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