What a Joke! GM and its latest recall.

[mjncad]

The service Manger actually had the stones to tell me a Diesel engine running in the RED was normal, he said he has one and it does it all the time "don't worry"

What amazes me is how we still have major problems with autos when we now have computers with CAD capabilities and testing equipment by the truck load and yet we still have the problems we have.

When I took my new 1983 S-10 pickup into the dealer for its first oil change, the dumb-frak on the lube rack overfilled the crankcase by two quarts. I found this out when I got home and checked the oil level as there was oil spray everywhere in the engine compartment. I drained out that much oil into jelly jars as that was all I had a the time to remove the oil in a controlled manner. I took the oil to the service manager of the dealership (a large Chevy...oops...Chevrolet dealer) to gripe. He told me there was no problem as there was a breather tube to vent excess oil to the atmosphere. I told him to show me the tube, and he said it was buried deep in the engine bay and not visible. I told him BS, that an open breather tube hasn't been installed on gas engines since 1968 when the Feds made the PCV system mandatory. To add insult to injury, the lube rack rat stole a TORX screwdriver out of the console. I never went back to that dealership for anything, and I should have tripped in their showroom breaking the oil filled jars all over their nice pretty floor; but alas I didn't.

As for the CAD stuff. I made a living using it for 24-years, and its a tool to help make better informed design decisions; but the gray matter between the ears still makes the ultimate decision.

 

[ray66v]

I don't see what the big deal is anyway. Most (not all) people that say their [fill in brand name here] "doesn't burn any oil" are being deceitful and just doing their part towards brand loyalty.

I am just stating the facts.

After over 30 years in the auto repair business, I have NO brand loyalty. At one time, or another, they've all built "junk".

I do dislike some cars, more than others. And, any animosity on my part, toward a particular manufacturer, has been WELL earned through longtime professional, and personal experience.

In the case of General Motors, I grew up in a family that only bought GM cars. And I have owned more GM cars, than any other manufacturer.

 

[Diamondpilot]

On my 04 and 05 GMC Dually it was an over heater from day one. I complained to no avail.
The Diesel page had hundred of guys that had overheating diesels and all placed a complaint with GM, but when i called GM said " I'm sorry I have never heard of that problem with our trucks'. On ingenious member of the site actually invented a cure for the over heating for about $1,000.00 while GM denied it had a problem.

The service Manger actually had the stones to tell me a Diesel engine running in the RED was normal, he said he has one and it does it all the time "don't worry"

What amazes me is how we still have major problems with autos when we now have computers with CAD capabilities and testing equipment by the truck load and yet we still have the problems we have.

I mean how do you build an overheating Diesel and diesel has been around since 1896.

I had a 2005 Dmax 3500 that would overheat with 5,000# behind it. Could not get it fixed and they denied there was a issue just like with you. Along with a lot of other little issues like poor paint, injectors, and glow plugs. Sold it after only 9 months for a 2006 F-350 Powerstroke. Only in the shop once for a bad dash cluster, mainly the fuel gauge was inaccurate. Thing pulls like a tank and has been chipped since 5,000 miles. Not one single issue and can pull 25,000# with out a hiccup.

 

[Soundguy]

One half to one quart of oil per 3500 miles! That's drinking oil? I'm sorry, but as a Civil Engineer with 24.5K posts, you should know better. I don't mean to be harsh with anyone, but that's just plain silly.
Read it! Believe it! The secret is out and it's really true; all engines burn oil!

Point is.. I own other engines I don't have to add oil to between changes.. except the gm product.

that's a plain fact of observation.

If the point is that the other engines are using the same amount of oil and just having the level replaced by fuel. that means the gm engine is actually using more than a quart.. more like 2 quarts. IE.. the one it burned.. plus anohter out of the thinner mix in the sump.


gm should be able to build an engine that doesn't need oil added between regular oil changes.. pretty much like 90% of the other manufacturers.

and PS.. I can build a road that is measured in tenths of an inch using aggragate that usually measures a quarter of an inch on the surface coat and hit grade on the spot with no swimming pools. My job and my post count have no bearing on this thread .. and IMHO.. should not need to be referenced...

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

. To add insult to injury, the lube rack rat stole a TORX screwdriver out of the console. .

Funny.. when i used to let others work on my vehicles i usually found tools under the hood.. etc. quite a lot actually.

soundguy

 

[Bird]

Funny.. when i used to let others work on my vehicles i usually found tools under the hood.. etc. quite a lot actually.

soundguy

That reminds me of when I was project manager on a city construction job and the contractor had some major work done on a dozer onsite. I don't remember just what the original problem was, but the heads had to come off and the mechanic left a wrench in one of the cylinders. So when he finished and tried to start it, it blew a hole right out the side of the block. Needless to say, that mechanic went looking for a job.

 

[mjarrels]

I spent 21 years in Naval Aviation.... Tool control is a BIG issue!

mark

 

[polo1665]

I spent 21 years in Naval Aviation.... Tool control is a BIG issue!

mark

I would imagine that a surgeon might tell you the same thing

Mark

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. 2 things you don't want after major work.. missing tools or extra parts..

soundguy

 

[Builder]

Point is.. I own other engines I don't have to add oil to between changes.. except the gm product.

that's a plain fact of observation.

If the point is that the other engines are using the same amount of oil and just having the level replaced by fuel. that means the gm engine is actually using more than a quart.. more like 2 quarts. IE.. the one it burned.. plus anohter out of the thinner mix in the sump.


gm should be able to build an engine that doesn't need oil added between regular oil changes.. pretty much like 90% of the other manufacturers.

and PS.. I can build a road that is measured in tenths of an inch using aggragate that usually measures a quarter of an inch on the surface coat and hit grade on the spot with no swimming pools. My job and my post count have no bearing on this thread .. and IMHO.. should not need to be referenced...

soundguy

To be fair, it ain't just GM. Every Ford I've owned burned oil between changes. I had a Toyota that burned 3 quarts between changes.