read and enjoy...how true

[wrenchturner]

Scenario 9:

Teacher for automotive repair makes a bulletin board showing a pilgram driving a car down a road with a turkey about to be run over. Caption reads; There is more than one way to kill a turkey.

1957- During open house, parents comment on the creativity and the humor of the bulletin board.

2010- Teacher is reprimanded for using the word "kill" and ordered to remove it because some parents complained.

 

[blueriver]

So I wonder if these changes have anything to do with the US having so many lawyers looking for/creating work?????

I believe that may only be the tip of the iceburg ...

 

[forgeblast]

a Very good documentary on the role and changing nature of public education in America
it called "Schools the story of us".
I have the book, its also insightful, I did not realize how much LBJ did for education or the fact that he was a teacher. He taught in a very rural, very poor school district and that helped shape a lot of his education reforms.
I really liked the chapter on progressive education, amazing what some schools were doing at the turn of the century, some even had zoos that the children would take care of.


Another very good book, is called "the end of education" by postman
He points out that education was called on first to make Americans out of immigrants and that schools did a very good job at that, but now we are not sure what our schools should be doing, big picture wise. Do we go at the three 'R's or business prep, career tech, there are a lot of muddled mandates. Very interesting was how people dump on USA schools. We have created sice the 40's something like 61 million new jobs, USA alone!!! All of europe has only created 6 million new jobs. He goes on to say that our education system has no correlation on how well someone will do in business. (I dont have the book infront of me I will recheck the facts and quotes later)


If you look at the court cases, the one that i point to is.
Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District
it basically says that children do not leave their rights at the door and are afforded all the rights of adults.....but they are not adults. Even in the court system they are looked at as youths until the crime or age hits 18. Its a very confusing ruling, and I think its the one that gave merit to many other lawsuits. I dont want to get political or whatever, its just my opinion and observation.

 

[techwrtr2]

I don't see that as 1957...

As late as 1987 when I graduated little described in the OP's list would have caused problems. Smoking in the building might have, but only by students. Teachers did it all the time in their lounge. Brother carried and evil black rifle through school... so he could use it in a speech. Wasn't uncommon to see a dead deer in the back of a student's truck along with bloody gear in teh front seat. Teachers complimented the student on the rack or size etc.

Of course my school was (and still is) in the middle of a corn field.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

#10
out of state guy parks his truck in front of the smithsonian in DC yesterday. Someone notices a rifle inside and calls the cops. Entire area was shutdown, bomb squad called, etc.. , truck towed and searched, and the owner was arrested for 1. unlicensed firearm (in DC) and 2. unregistered ammunition (DC law, about as unbelievable as it gets). Today the guy is in jail. Maybe there is more to the story, didn't hear anymore about it today, but if you visit DC, don't even think about driving with a gun visible, people here go nuts.

 

[riptides]

#10
out of state guy parks his truck in front of the smithsonian in DC yesterday. Someone notices a rifle inside and calls the cops. Entire area was shutdown, bomb squad called, etc.. , truck towed and searched, and the owner was arrested for 1. unlicensed firearm (in DC) and 2. unregistered ammunition (DC law, about as unbelievable as it gets). Today the guy is in jail. Maybe there is more to the story, didn't hear anymore about it today, but if you visit DC, don't even think about driving with a gun visible, people here go nuts.

And the complete story includes propane tanks and multiple weapons. So yeah, the response was ... shall we say...... appropriate. IMHO, people did not go nuts. This is the nations capitol. People do not drive around here with visible guns, racked.

 

[tungularafishcamp]

I drove down to Oregon with multiple weapons and propane tanks. Does that make me a terrorist. If we would have driven back east on our trip to see the sights of the nation's capital like the "people's white house" that you can't even visit anymore. If you don't have a concealed carry permit you have to carry your firearms in plain sight so I guess if you go back east your darned it you do darned if you don't. Glad I live where I do.
Rick

 

[riptides]

I drove down to Oregon with multiple weapons and propane tanks. Does that make me a terrorist. If we would have driven back east on our trip to see the sights of the nation's capital like the "people's white house" that you can't even visit anymore. If you don't have a concealed carry permit you have to carry your firearms in plain sight so I guess if you go back east your darned it you do darned if you don't. Glad I live where I do.
Rick

Perhaps you need to read the laws concerning firearms in DC and not Oregon.

It is pretty simple really, observe, learn and obey the laws of states and distrricts.

 

[tungularafishcamp]

If I wanted to go back there I would, been there done that, except to show it to my kids I don't care to ever go there again. Trouble the folks whose reality is there are making the laws for the rest of us who have different realities.
Rick

 

[77transam]

I don't see that as 1957...

As late as 1987 when I graduated little described in the OP's list would have caused problems. Smoking in the building might have, but only by students. Teachers did it all the time in their lounge. Brother carried and evil black rifle through school... so he could use it in a speech. Wasn't uncommon to see a dead deer in the back of a student's truck along with bloody gear in teh front seat. Teachers complimented the student on the rack or size etc.

Of course my school was (and still is) in the middle of a corn field.

Same here Tech When I was in school, we had a smoking ramp out back, (smoking age was 16 then) and teachers used to come out and smoke with us! 'Course NC used to be a big tobacco state, and the area I was raised in was a predominately farming/rural community,so it was common for a lot of us to smoke and hunt.

There were guns in racks in our trucks (had to be unloaded and vehicle locked or you got detention)
Just about all of us "country boys" carried pocket knives 24/7, and our teachers in wood/machine shop taught us the proper way to sharpen them.
In wood shop class the 2 most popular projects to build were crossbows and gun cabinets!:thumbsup: When someone finished a crossbow, there was a target practice area set up to test 'em out behind the wood shop.:laughing:
Shop teachers taught us how to refinish our gun stocks and re-blue a barrel.

In auto/wood/machine shop classes,we learned how to measure,cut, and use tools. Basic&advanced welding/woodworking, even electrical and plumbing basics.

There were home economics classes where one could learn to cook/clean/sew and can foods.

FFA classes/club were usually pretty full.

I don't remember there ever being an incident/accident of any consequence, and that was primarily due to fear of:
1) Large paddle hanging in principals office
2) When parents found out you were dead meat

Students RARELY got suspended. (had to be something major like being drunk:laughing

Had a shop teacher one year, who if you got in a fight with somebody he would break it up then give each one a pair of boxing gloves and headgear and then "ref" the re-match. (Most just decided on a handshake and apology when given the choice)

In this age of lawsuits, absent or uncaring parents, and rampant "gangsta" ideology/attitudes of youth, school just isn't what it used to be.

Kids today may graduate knowing how to design a website and do calculus, but don't have a clue how to boil water,sew a button or grow their own food... Work on a car or measure and cut a 2x4? Not likely.

I'm not saying today's youth are not smart, just that if there's a power outage and no internet or cable, most are lost/helpless.:confused2:

The only "skills" taught seem to be computer/technology related.